Flight Attendant Recalls In 2005

[okoge1027]

If you are below TWA you are SOL.

Your speaker quals do not matter.

They cannot hire out of seniority order.

Perhaps if you are recalled and you have certain "speaker" quals, you can hold certain "bases" but do not expect it.

Coop

SLT

p.s. I'M LUCKY TO HAVE A JOB! LOL!

[post="275995"][/post]​

Yes. I am WAY above TWA. Thank God!!! It is indeed unfortunate for people below TWA. Maybe, miracle will happen and they will all get called back, so we can all be happy!

 

[okoge1027]

That can probably be answered with two words - JANE ALLEN.

We had an unbelievable program in place (overage leaves of absences) when 911 happened. But in typicaly AMR fashion, a hurried overage system was initiated. Unfortunately, rather than offer a well thought out plan, we got a plan that immediately caused so many to be furloughed. Remember that Jane Allen was head of AAL flight service at the time, so her input was probably paramount. If a combination of lengthy OVL's were offered along with a rotation of short OVL's, I do not believe one person would have been furloughed. The F/A's here would have pulled together and continued to work out OVL's. Most F/A's could take a small leave (at least rotating) and there are others who could continue to take long OVL's.

Now Jane belongs to UAL...

[post="266969"][/post]​

I thought Jane Allen went to work for WalMart????

 

[flydcoop]

[Coop, read page 179, sec.B of the current CBA and tell me what you think..Because of the surprisingly poor wording of this contract, I think this could possibly give the Company an opening to recall needed speakers out of seniority order. You could even take it a little more extreme play with the "qualification" wording...aricraft? service? certificate?


N.

You are right, the wording does seem to provide an opening to recall out of seniority.

However, I do not think AA or APFA would blatantly open themselves up to any more lawsuits.

I'm starting to think the entire CBA is poorly-worded...LOL!

Coop

SLT

 

[flydcoop]

We need more flight attendants. I reassign every day I am getting tired of coming into work only to know that the next 8-10 hours will be to reassign people from t/a to two days....two days to three days and so on and so on. I think we should merge Intl and zDomestic. I also think everyone should be qualified on all equipment. That in my opinoin would stop at least 60 percent of the re assignments. Just my opinion

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Jim,

There you go. I'm expected reassignments for the summer.

operaations,

Are these reassignments because of the dreadful weather (especially ORD this past week) or is it a normal, daily operational thing?

On second thought, has there been a normal, daily operation (without weather or ATC/CAC) since June started? 😛

Are the reassignments system-wide or more specific to certain bases (for example, this past week in ORD, any out-of-base crew there was probably reassigned)?

Coop

SLT

 

[jimntx]

Jim,

There you go. I'm expected reassignments for the summer.

Coop

SLT

[post="276696"][/post]​

Coop, thank goodness that for June at least, I "can't be reassigned" unless they pull me off a trip--which would just mean they have to get someone else to finish the trip for me. I'm holding the 75 line this month that gets back to STL at 2314 (if on time, which it wasn't tonight. We arrived at 2346). Not much chance of reassignment at O-dark-30!

 

[jimntx]

Furloughees, if you listen to the latest apfa hotline, it does not bode well for a recall this year. If this test that allows international and domestic fas that have had international training to cover trip is implemented, then it may negate the need for a recall this year.We need to have our voices heard. I'm very disappointed that this is the approach apfa is taking to mitigate "staffing" and reassignments. They should lobby to get our jobs back.

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[post="276551"][/post]​

Byron, I will be surprised if this test alleviates the problem of shortages of reserves in the summer months. If you think of it logically...

Int'l f/as have for some time now been allowed to pick up Domestic Option II trips after all domestic Option II f/as have been processed. Now if you start allowing Domestic f/as to do the reverse in Int'l, why does that not increase the shortage in Domestic? If I were a domestic f/a who had Int'l quals, and I needed to pick up an extra trip or two, why would I not pick up the Int'l trip which pays more?

This is one of those ideas that is like the Kennedy family or Baked Alaska--the idea is much better than the reality.

I don't think that in any particular base there are that many domestic f/as who have maintained their Int'l quals. I may be wrong, but it's kind of like the argument that stretching out the use of the speakers will reduce the need for recalls. There just aren't enough of them to make a real difference. (As Charles Barkeley says, I may be wrong, but I don't think so.)

 

[flydcoop]

Coop, thank goodness that for June at least, I "can't be reassigned" unless they pull me off a trip--which would just mean they have to get someone else to finish the trip for me.  I'm holding the 75 line this month that gets back to STL at 2314 (if on time, which it wasn't tonight.  We arrived at 2346).  Not much chance of reassignment at O-dark-30!

[post="276703"][/post]​

You must be on the god-awful PM LAS! TPA turn, right?

I don't care to see the 752 again...LOL!

I hope the PM turns are better for next month...I might actually bid the LAX turn with the nearly 4 hour sit just to avoid the hubs!!!

I want NOTHING to do with ORD for the next couple of months.

RSV hasn't been pretty but I'm glad to get it over with at the beginning of summer.

I think BOS turns may be speaking to me next month.

Fly safe,

Coop

SLT

 

[kirkpatrick]

Byron, I will be surprised if this test alleviates the problem of shortages of reserves in the summer months. If you think of it logically...

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Jim, I think you're right. I just can't see it making much, if any, of a difference.

MK

 

[FA Mikey]

Mark and Jim are correct as always. Nothing in the tests AA and APFA is doing will make for fewer furloughs returning.

You guys want variety and ease or rules to make bidding and trading easier. Here you go. Take them and use them.

 

[MiAAmi]

Mark and Jim are correct as always. Nothing in the tests AA and APFA is doing will make for fewer furloughs returning.

You guys want variety and ease or rules to make bidding and trading easier. Here you go. Take them and use them.

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Seeing that these tests are holiday months only, I think the same people who call in sick holiday after holiday will still call in. This test only rewards the high time flyers.

 

[operaations]

Jim,

There you go. I'm expected reassignments for the summer.

operaations,

Are these reassignments because of the dreadful weather (especially ORD this past week) or is it a normal, daily operational thing?

On second thought, has there been a normal, daily operation (without weather or ATC/CAC) since June started? 😛

Are the reassignments system-wide or more specific to certain bases (for example, this past week in ORD, any out-of-base crew there was probably reassigned)?

Coop

SLT

[post="276696"][/post]​

Coop.

I work internationally. I think domestic is in better shape. LGA and Is the worse off and SLT. But I am just guessing since I do not work domestic. International is feast or famine. Weather always causes a big ripple effect. Trust me when I say this knobody and I mean knowbody in Crew Sched gets off to reassignments.

 

[ArtTang]

The retirement numbers for Flight Attendants are out on the flight service website. Lots of attrition in May: 110 in overall attrition with 24 retirees (this number includes 22 with over 20 years seniority).

Art Tang
IMA

 

[jimntx]

I wonder if the May numbers include some who did not come back from the mini-LOA. They would not have been counted in the April numbers because they were due back 01MAY. But, WOW! 110!

If the numbers stay anywhere near this number for the next 3 months, the company will have to ground a lot more than 20 a/c in SEP to avoid a recall.

 

[s80dude]

We must still have an overage in Dallas though, as we received an email from the base planner that bid leaves will be available.

 

[s80dude]

The retirement numbers for Flight Attendants are out on the flight service website. Lots of attrition in May: 110 in overall attrition with 24 retirees (this number includes 22 with over 20 years seniority).

Art Tang
IMA

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Did you check out the bottom name and length of service.....obviously a typo, but talk about being senior

Woodson, Lynda
IDF Flight Attendant - 3838 years of service May 31, 2005