Clearly now it is you trying to over simplify your argument against AMFA.
I guess the strategy of spreading outlandish lies instead isn't working.
AMFA getting it done
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I guess the strategy of spreading outlandish lies instead isn't working.
What the TWU destroyed for decades? Did you forget that in the last decade $10.07 Billion was lost at AA? You are sounding very trustworthy right now. NOT. AMFA would have achieved the same results as TWU in the last 10 years. You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
IMHO the membership is the strenght of a union. If that body has no say and there is no transparancy, there is no strength. All of the "inbetween" complete tranparancy and complete accountability, can be measured in strength. Just my opinion.
How is it then, that in same time frame - AA paid down the debt by around $10 billion? Was that what they call fuzzy math?
Are you saying that AA lied about their $10.07 Billion loss?
We will never know so you can continue to claim anything you want about it with absolutely no way to prove it.
Wasn't it Bob Crandall that said "we keep three sets of books, the books we show the employees, the books we show the IRS, and the books we show the investors". Now which set of books do you suppose they were referring to - using GAAP?
You are the one who claims TWU destroyed the wages at AA, very easy to insinuate that AMFA would have done better. You are the ultimate politician. I like reality, not pie in the sky political b.s. Are you so politically involved or can you admit that any Union would have a hard time accomplishing anything if their Company lost $10.07 Billion in a decade?
Ok, I can see you are a conspiracy theorist. The loss I am referring to is what investors, employees, anyone can look at. Why in the hell would a Company show $10.07 Billion in losses when you consider that CEO pay is typically tied to stock price appreciation? The stock ain't going to rise when you lose money every quarter. FACT. So, AA lost their arse and AMFA would have done nothing for the employees during this time. If they are saying anything different, get your arse ready to be handed to you. If AMFA is successful in winning a representation vote, their timing is perfect. The new AA cutting everything in bankruptcy and coming out merged as the largest airline in the world. If DP can merge the 2 airlines successfully and make it profitable every employee would stand to gain.
I didn't claim that, AA mechanics did and SWAMT did.
I only made a joke once about it.
The pilots negotiated different than the TWU deals.
The FAs got different deals than the TWU.
How are you so absolutely sure that the AA mechanics would have settled for exactly the same things that they have been getting from TWU negotiations if they had been able to represent themselves with AMFA as their union?
You don't.
Only the AA mechanics do.
I am only a mechanic at SWA.
I hold no leadership position in AMFA.
Hardly a politician.
Lost?saywhat said:
Really are you saying that AA spent in real dollars ten billion more than they generated?
Or were the losses primarily made up of intangible losses on write downs, goodwill etc?
Are you aware that they brought in over $25billion last year? Thats an increase of around $8 billion, and they did it with 40000 less employees and 300 less airplanes.
How much did UAL lose over the same timeframe and how do we compare to them?
Answer the question, politician, do you really think that AMFA would have fared better knowing $10.07 Billion was lost? Would it have been the same contract, No, but the money would have added up to the same amount. Be honest, I know politicians are not capable, so prove you are not a politician and tell me what you think any Union could expect from a Company that has lost $10.07 Billion in the last decade.
