AMFA getting it done

[swamt]

Here's some reading for you OS, se how the teamsters are now backing out of their "set AMFA up deal" with the TWU:

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Friends,​

The term "stabbed in the back" refers to when someone whom you trusted, or was on the same side with, does harm to you. Late last month TWU International President Jim Little was in Tulsa for a meeting with the membership where he used this term. At this meeting Jim said that he recently had a face to face meeting with his friend Jimmy Hoffa of the Teamsters regarding the card drive, and Hoffa informed him that they would take out the TWU if they could get enough cards. Jim Little's reaction to this news, as reported by those at the Tulsa meeting, was that he felt like he had been "stabbed in the back," and went further by insinuating that the Teamster were only supposed to be a distraction from the AMFA drive, and never was supposed to be for real. This "stabbing in the back" by the Teamsters has brought out the "fight like hell" Jim Little, and their feud has resulted in the TWU mailing two letters to our homes, along with an email calling the Teamsters everything in the book.​

Although we all can appreciate Jim's anger, most of us can relate to the feeling of being "stabbed in the back" by those who are supposed to be on the same side fighting for us; that being Jim Little and the TWU. So while Jim and Jimmy quarrel over who can spend your union dues on their enormous salaries, the real question for you is if you have had enough of your union fighting more for your dues money then for your profession? Have you had enough of paying dues to an organization that only fights when we threaten to leave? A union is supposed to fight for us every day; it is not about the logo they put on an expensive bus, or paying non-airline people to go door-to-door to tell you what you want to hear to manipulate you into thinking that by voting in a union like the Teamsters that something is actually going to change. If you want to bring about change it has to rise up from the ground floor that enough is enough, and that is something that has happened at every AA maintenance staffed station with AMFA. As mechanics, our jobs are to fix problems, and replacing the TWU with the Teamsters doesn't fix the problem, it just adds to the problem with more appointed reps with bloated six-figure salaries. If you dislike the TWU, you are really not going to like the Teamsters. There is only one real choice for representation for the mechanic and related workers, and that is the one which is led by mechanics through a grassroots effort across our country, and that union is AMFA.​

Say NO to the TWUeamsters, and join the AMFA movement so that we can finish the job. ​

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You're funny. Fact is the difference between the DOS and the time AMFA signed an agreement doesn't change the fact they all worked under the 1113e terms formalized in the AMFA CBA. Two wage cuts and conceding to outsourcing plus expanding that to include foreign outsourcing means AMFA rolled. They did not get a better deal than the IAM.

The TWU 2003 deal was 5 years and provided continued pension accrual for another ten years. AMFA got how many more years of pension credit in their CBA? None.

The fact remains regardless of your claims that AMFA did not better but actually worse than the IAM at UA. That is why they got booted.

And again, you can try to spin it anyway you like..... you got caught in a lie, and no amount of requalifying is going to change that. You own it.

 

[WNMECH]

And yes Lineguy, Thx to all the brothers and sisters at NW that stood for our craft, and raised the bar to where we are today...

I would like to second that,
Thank you.

 

[Bob Owens]

No I did not, the UA agreement was started being negotiated in 2003 so the amendable was 2009. The TWU agreement was 5 years from DOS to amendable date. I pointed out that the UA CBA was 6 years and 8 months from the time the IAM started and you guys finished was 7.5% raise. The TWU negotiated on the concession deal in 2003 for a few months and it was amendable by 2008 or five years with a 6%.

I'm working on the puppets for you brother.

??? So now its from the date they started negotiating??? Spin spin spin, well we started negotiating in 2007 for a contract that becomes amendable in 2018 so does that make this an 11 year contract or was ours a 2003 contract that went to 2012 a nine year four month contract with a 6% increase after a 25% decrease for a net decrease of 19% followed by a six year deal where we lost our Pension, system protection, retiree medical, OT rules, FT Rules etc etc basically a net 20% decrease on top of the $19% decrease-not counting medical and inflation.?

Keep spinning, the more you spin the easier it is to see how dizzy you are.

 

[Bob Owens]

If it hadn't been for AMFA the NWA guys would still have a job.

My guess is most of them do have a job, many with ones that pay better, where they get more Holidays and more sick time, than ours. Either way none of them would still be working at NWA now would they?

lineguy43 were you at NWA? Do you wish that you ended up like us at AA?

 

[Bob Owens]

You're funny. Fact is the difference between the DOS and the time AMFA signed an agreement doesn't change the fact they all worked under the 1113e terms formalized in the AMFA CBA. Two wage cuts and conceding to outsourcing plus expanding that to include foreign outsourcing means AMFA rolled. They did not get a better deal than the IAM.

The TWU 2003 deal was 5 years and provided continued pension accrual for another ten years. AMFA got how many more years of pension credit in their CBA? None.

The fact remains regardless of your claims that AMFA did not better but actually worse than the IAM at UA. That is why they got booted.

So, once again, is the deal we are under now a ten year deal (2008-2018). If not then how do you account for the four years between the last amendable date and the DOS of the current agreement?

Effectively we have worked under 1113 terms since 2003 and will continue to do so until at least 2018. FIFTEEN YEARS!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

So all the out of work NWA AMTs have jobs like you? All 5,000 NWA M&R got the same job opportunity you did? No they didn't.

How do you know where they ended up? My guess is the more unfortunate ones ended up at AA.

I had this discussion with Sharon Levine who claimed that most ended up at places like Home Depot, that she saw a study, I told here maybe some of them belonged at Home Depot in the first place and I'd like to see that study but others ended up doing better than if they had stayed under the terms NWA wanted them to accept.

Never got the study.

AA has been hiring off the street for quite some time here in NY, haven't heard of any stampede of NWA guys towards the doors of Hangar 10 or 3.

 

[TWU informer]

How do you know where they ended up? My guess is the more unfortunate ones ended up at AA.

I had this discussion with Sharon Levine who claimed that most ended up at places like Home Depot, that she saw a study, I told here maybe some of them belonged at Home Depot in the first place and I'd like to see that study but others ended up doing better than if they had stayed under the terms NWA wanted them to accept.

Never got the study.

AA has been hiring off the street for quite some time here in NY, haven't heard of any stampede of NWA guys towards the doors of Hangar 10 or 3.

That was the study done by Art Luby and Frank McCann Jr.

 

[Bob Owens]

Wow man. repeat and repeat and someone might believe you. Read the language folks, look at all dates, then see when AMFA was certified at UAL. Very simple it's a few months after the language was nego by the IAM that AMFA took over and was forced with current contract that the IAM nego.

Its his Bill Oreilly Fox news act. Next he will be saying that if we voted in the 2010 concessions that we would be number two in the industry.

 

[Bob Owens]

I would like to second that,
Thank you.

Yes, had that discussion with a member today as far as the impact to our profession by what the guys at NWA did from 1998 through 2001. We got the biggest increase ever as all the other Unions scrambled to catch up to NWA, and the airlines gave it to avoid a mass exodus of mechanics to AMFA. Imagine what things would have been like if we had gone into the post 9-11 recession at $25/hr instead of $37, to the guys at NWA we all owe you a debt of grattitude and we all owe you an apology for giving it all away and undermining you by giving huge concessions both in and out of BK. If we look at groups like Fleet and Stores, not only are they making less now than they were in 2003, they are making less than they were in the late 1990's,before we got the increases in 2001, as bad off as we are, we are better off thanks to the guys at NWA.

To this day our unions hate us, look at the screwing that Bobby, Don and Jim did in BK to mechanics, we are the only group that landed as far from their peers as we did. Most USAIR workers are looking at gains if we merge, their mechanics are not. Even look at the MOU, another screwing for the mechanics. We will end up with a smaller total percentage increase than anyone else. For a fleet service clerk the 4.3% increase is a full 4.3% increase on his gross earnings but for maint since the license, line pay and other premiums are not included the total increase is substantially less. A line mechanic working nights gets $34.09, 4.3% of $34.09 is $1.47, but he will only be getting $1.20 according to the MOU. So while everyone else is getting a 4.3% increase on their gross wages mechanics are only getting 3.5%.

 

[CIO]

Bob you sure like to twist. I guess I could compare the less pay Fleet Service Clerks Make!! We get a potential raise and you always find fault. Better yet how about returning the money?

In Solidarity,

CIO

 

[1AA]

Bob you sure like to twist. I guess I could compare the less pay Fleet Service Clerks Make!! We get a potential raise and you always find fault. Better yet how about returning the money?

In Solidarity,

CIO

. Some raise and lost mid term wage adjustment and profit sharing. Little must be happy the pay raise gets him more union dues. Our profit sharing went to the flight attendants. The pilots 401k goes from 14% to 16% without a match. Nothing to be bragging about. Amfa can't come quick enough for me.

 

[Rogallo]

Amfa can't come quick enough for me.

The only thing that could come quicker is a merger early out package!!

 

[1AA]

The only thing that could come quicker is a merger early out package!!

. Maybe this time I will take it.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob you sure like to twist. I guess I could compare the less pay Fleet Service Clerks Make!! We get a potential raise and you always find fault. Better yet how about returning the money?

In Solidarity,

CIO

Return the money? I'm still waiting for the rest thats still missing! Don't you remember? We were getting everything back with the early openers in 2006, Sonny Hall said he will not rest until we get it all back and before that "dont worry we got a Me Too Clause with the pilots" .