AAA Thread 10/26-11/1

[Phoenix]

Huh? Just what is it that you contend the West should have negotiated?

Ooooh, I think you directed that towards the wrong group!!!! You see, oh highly qualified one the west position was one of FAIRNESS while the east possition was based on theft!!!

Good gravy so vote already!

It has been months and you all are still walking around mumbling the same old "ALPA sux and if they're not careful some day we might take a vote or something. That'll show 'em."

So do it and get it over with.

Y'all are too easy. yawnn. Three in one shot.

 

[sharktooth]

Y'all are too easy. yawnn. Three in one shot.

Yeah, I can just imagine a left seat three year capt with a right seat 23 year fo. That would work really well, after clapping their red-jeweled heels together at least three times. Especially since the east side is making money and the west side is losing money.

Go for it, rooties.

 

[CapnCockroach]

Yes, I'm aware of your ill-gotten upgrades. If there's justice your selfishness will not be futher rewarded.

B717: Question for you on the above subject. Once Nic is implemented, can the company announce a "realignment" bid? If so, could the union oppose it? Could the MEC demand it?

 

[AWA320]

Yeah, I can just imagine a left seat three year capt with a right seat 23 year fo. That would work really well, after clapping their red-jeweled heels together at least three times. Especially since the east side is making money and the west side is losing money.

Go for it, rooties.

I see sharktooth that you still can't read the sec filings can you?? How soon you forget or just plain choose to ignore the fact that the west bore the cost of this transition thus our numbers show a loss. Yeah we're losing money alright, I wonder how much we would have lost just letting AAA die

 

[BoeingBoy]

B717: Question for you on the above subject. Once Nic is implemented, can the company announce a "realignment" bid? If so, could the union oppose it? Could the MEC demand it?

If you mean a bid where every position was up for bid based on the new list, the answer is no - that would be the flush of the no bump no flush provision of the award. Of course, if nic got thrown out, the no bump no flush would go with it.

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

B717: Question for you on the above subject. Once Nic is implemented, can the company announce a "realignment" bid? If so, could the union oppose it? Could the MEC demand it?

All parties involved agreed to "no bump/no flush" language in the wake of any integrated seniority list. The company can't do it; the MECs can't demand it.

Now, if the company was willing to play games over the course of many successive bids (which could be a rather expensive proposition,) they could pull the same thing NWA did to the old Atlanta-based Southern pilots to move them to Minneapolis and Detroit, and get the senior NWA types into the warm Georgia countryside. In several bids, they in turn shrunk and expanded ATL. The junior Southern pilos got pushed north with the contraction, and the very senior NWA pilots moved south with every ATL expansion. In a year or so, ATL was staffed with mostly ex-MSP-based pilots. And the Southern guys were all shopping for mukluks and parkas.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Normal bidding movement (bumping via displacement, etc) is allowed even though there is no bump/no flush, but the effects would depend on what was allowed by the contractual bidding process. For example, under the East bidding process it's perfectly acceptable to be displacing pilots from a position at the same time as vacancies are being filled in that same position. All no flush means is that every position can't be opened for bid at one time when the combined list takes effect.

The no bump doesn't mean that there can't be displacements. It just means that a pilot can't claim another pilot's position merely because of being senior on the combined list. A displaced pilot can always bump a more junior pilot, with the only constraints being any contained in the contractual displacement procedures.

Jim

 

[Bear96]

Y'all are too easy. yawnn. Three in one shot.

So in other words, there will not be a vote any time soon, if ever, because USALPO just doesn't have the support and extremists like you are off in left field and do not reflect the thoughts of the majority of the East pilots.

That's kinda what I thought. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Elevation]

Normal bidding movement (bumping via displacement, etc) is allowed even though there is no bump/no flush, but the effects would depend on what was allowed by the contractual bidding process. For example, under the East bidding process it's perfectly acceptable to be displacing pilots from a position at the same time as vacancies are being filled in that same position. All no flush means is that every position can't be opened for bid at one time when the combined list takes effect.

The no bump doesn't mean that there can't be displacements. It just means that a pilot can't claim another pilot's position merely because of being senior on the combined list. A displaced pilot can always bump a more junior pilot, with the only constraints being any contained in the contractual displacement procedures.

Jim

So when the list are merged and they close LAS or BOS for example there would be a system bid and possible displacements/downgrades for all those that cannot hold there position?

 

[aquagreen73s]

If you mean a bid where every position was up for bid based on the new list, the answer is no - that would be the flush of the no bump no flush provision of the award. Of course, if nic got thrown out, the no bump no flush would go with it.

Jim

Jim,

My understanding was that the "no bump, no flush" provision was in the transition agreement. If Nic gets thrown out, which is even less likely as the Rockies winning the world Series at this point, but should it get thrown out and rearbitrated, then the subsequent arbitration would be subject to the no bump, no flush.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Elevation,

Anyone displaced after a combined list went into effect would have whatever displacement rights were contained in the contract.

aquagreen,

The transition has a no flush provision but not a no bump provision (other than a furloughed pilot may not bump an active pilot). Probably moot, since I've never heard of any airline allowing someone to claim another's position merely by virtue of being senior (other than when displaced).

Jim

 

[avion]

MANNNNN you folks .. go on go on and gon .. back in 1990 the company yes the company said all right DATE OF HIRE.. or NOT.. we voted DATE OF HIRE.. and of course of us and to this day cant believe that they gave us that choice us ..we at customer service we were not union... after that we had to go union and if you are a f/a rez it does not matter same DOH.. . You folks East West make us all laugh.. we cant believe that you bought VOTE AND PAYYYYYYYY>>> and you cant come up with something... this person who came up with this NONNNNNNNSENSE about merging with DOH is on DRUGS. DATE OF HIRE>> they will take everything from you they can not your DATE OF HIRE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :wub:

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

NONNNNNNNSENSE about merging with DOH is on DRUGS. DATE OF HIRE>> they will take everything from you they can not your DATE OF HIRE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :wub:

It's not my dog but I want some of what he/she has.

Better than most posts on this thread.

 

[jack mama]

What happened to USA320Pilot?

 

[EastUS]

Ooooh, I think you directed that towards the wrong group!!!! You see, oh highly qualified one the west position was one of FAIRNESS while the east possition was based on theft!!!

Whle you're no threat to my "seniority" even via Nic:

1) You weren't born, nor even a bad glint in your fathers eye, when I first soloed. That won't impress you..nothing that's less than your "Gimme/gimee/GIMEE!!" infantile rantings, accompanied by an immediate St Nic Gift will ever shut you up....Some people are just that way...Sigh = "It's ALL ABOUT MEEEE!!!"/etc/ad nauseum.

2) Your 6,000 hours/"I'm in my forties" total time's purely a proper subject for hysterical laughter = WTF have you actually been doing for the last 20+ years?...Certainly, not much in the way of actually flying.

3) Consult any dictionary as per the definition of theft before your next braying outburst.

Viva the AWA's "Righteous Position" ROTFLMAO

A never ending source of amusement.