AAA ALPA Thread 10/5 to 10/12

[Cactus737]

Junebug, the employee assistance program is tailored to your needs. Contact your ALPA rep, they will give you the help you need.

What type of CIRP will USAPA have to help you guys cope with losing your fight against the Nicolau Award?

 

[nostradamus]

you're going to have to expect that we'll go out of our way to ensure your failure, regardless of the outcome of the election.

Now we are starting to think alike.

 

[EastUS]

Good point as Alpo apologies go. Alpo was/is only tasked to do some usefull work as an alleged "union" after all...and how could those brilliant, and hugely charismatic dynamos be expected to accomplish anything with all those tediously troublesome line swine in the way of their great visions for the future...which were/are? This is indeed reminiscent of all the actions of truly great leaders throughout history = "waah!...'we can't do anything because of the troops!" "Let's schedule some conferences at great hotels to do some serious harrumphing!" "hey!.I've got it guys...you'll just love this...let's give away their pensions/work rules/everything with only a handfull of cowardly, ot at best, seriously "confused" morons in our various inner groups/MECs/etc even allowed to truly know WTF's going on, much less have ANY vote"..."that'll teach the ungratefull jerks to better see our true brilliance!!" "Hey guys...Last Tag on 'em = let's wipe out their seniority!!" Given that Alpo WAS the only "union" in town....can you truly marvel at any/all apathy?...simmering anger and lasting disgust?...can you really?


While you're at it, and most of us have 5-10 seconds to spare, kindly list ANYTHING notable accomplished by Alpo recently?...Perhaps within the last 20+ years? i know, I know = It's all the fault of the membership. Too bad that most people actually just want to fly, and not be career politicans, or people that have to spend every waking moment trying to keep some Alpo morons from screwing things up beyond all recognition. I can only assume that such thinking must constitute 'apathy" in your view.

I can't even count the conversations I've been hearing that include this sentiment: "Whatever else happens, I want to see Alpa GONE" Does that sound apathetic to you? Perhaps Alpa has finally provided some inspiration, unity, and some hope for the future after all.

 

[prechilill]

I think you will find most on the East will fight this battle to the end. I imagine it is inevitable since you feel entitled to someone else's career instead of your own. I think USAPA might not gift you someone else's but it will certainly look out for yours.

I bet you are wrong on this. You would like to believe this to be so, but the reality is you and your small kind have a weak following and this is seen in how poorly the USAPA movement is proceeding- one of your gimps has to mail in cards himself. Yes, there are a couple hundred angry East pilots, but you guys are angry at life in general and now found a convenient entity to blame: the America West pilots. Your thinking is so clouded by emotion you do not see reality around you.

 

[Freighterguynow]

the reality is you and your small kind have a weak following and this is seen in how poorly the USAPA movement is proceeding-

Almost 2600 cards in ( I hear ) and 2691 active pilots on 08-01.

99% participation

 

[Phoenix]

Last time I checked the website, it said that the forums were for East pilots only. But assuming that policy has changed, why should I commit to something that I don't know anything about? Meaning, if USAPA is good for West pilots, your forums and "secret documents" should speak for themselves and shouldn't be secret. Fascinating how this new union pledges transparency, but even in it's infancy, there's already a large element of exclusivity.

If you're going to earn any West votes, you're going to have to convince us that USAPA is a viable alternative. When our experience with USAPA is limited to "date-of-hire" propaganda, exclusion from the website, and insulting public comments about West pilots from USAPA founders, you're going to have to expect that we'll go out of our way to ensure your failure, regardless of the outcome of the election.

You want access turn in your card. Turning in a card doesn't mean you have voted for them. Voting "No" is allowed.

However, I don't see why you want access. You already have USAPA all figured out and have nothing to learn.

 

[Phoenix]

.. you guys are angry at life in general and now found a convenient entity to blame: the America West pilots. Your thinking is so clouded by emotion you do not see reality around you.

You have missed the point! We love the AWA pilots. This continual playing of the victim of hate crimes just doesn't cut the mustard. We have never hated you, don't hate you now, and will never hate you in the future.

 

[prechilill]

You have missed the point! We love the AWA pilots. This continual playing of the victim of hate crimes just doesn't cut the mustard. We have never hated you, don't hate you now, and will never hate you in the future.

So I guess that is why your buddy Nos gives AWA crews a 2AM wake up and thinks that is funny to post about it. Is this the way animals play?

 

[exB717Flyer]

DOH is unionism and seniority.

The APFA at American refused to negotiate with the TWA flight attendents, stapled 100% of them, then told them they thought is was a fair integration. This is what unions do to other unions when they are left un-checked by any process.

The APA held talks with the TWA pilots, ignored them, stapled 2/3 of them, and told them they thought it was a fair integration. This is what unions do to other unions when they are left un-checked by any process.

It's not personal; it's just business. To paraphrase Yogi Berry, seniority isn't everything; it's the only thing. If a union can screw another it will. ALPA Merger Policy forces a process (when followed) that prevents one union from screwing another. Despite the fact that everyone who cares to pay attention knows a change in union won't change previous agreements, USAPA seeks to do exactly that. Like the other guy wrote above, it's not that fact that you're selfish that's most annoying but the fact that you won't admit it.

 

[EastUS]

I bet you are wrong on this.

Your bet's accepted sir. How much would you like to wager?

 

[traderjake]

Your bet's accepted sir. How much would you like to wager?

You don't honor legal agreements you make, reference binding arbitration.

You're unethical and immoral, reference the fact you want to steal the AWA pilots' jobs.

Why should we believe you would honor a bet you made?

 

[Phoenix]

A never ending source of amusement. 🙄

 

[AWA320]

You don't honor legal agreements you make, reference binding arbitration.

You're unethical and immoral, reference the fact you want to steal the AWA pilots' jobs.

Why should we believe you would honor a bet you made?

I don't think it can be much clearer than that!!! Good job...

 

[traderjake]

"A never ending source of amusement."

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Coffee_Tea_Or_Me]

From USA Today in the Sky:

Pilot unions gear up for a duel at US Airways
The merger between US Airways and America West appears to have hit another snag. It comes after the carrier's East Coast-based pilots (from the "old" US Airways) formed the US Airlines Pilots Association (USAPA), which says "it has enough pilot requests to force a representation election," The Arizona Republic reports. USAPA says it will file an application with the National Mediation Board by the end of October requesting a vote that the group hopes will oust the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). ALPA currently represents both sets of pilots US Airways.

The Republic says "the new group (USAPA) was formed earlier this year by some of US Airways' East Coast-based pilots who are upset with — among other things — an arbitrator's decision about seniority for the merged America West-US Airways pilot group." If successful, USAPA officials say they would instead use a date-of-hire seniority system. The Republic says "the drive for a new union further muddies the prospects of quick resolution to contract negotiations involving the pilots."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/