West F/A's wants a seperate contract ?

[TheNewLowFare]

Gary Richardson has been reading the debates in the AFA66 Message boards. Here is his response:


Hi all- This is a good topic for debate, I have read the thread and understand alot of the frustration here. Let me give you my perspective.

Section 6 negotiations were tabled by the Federal Mediator in December. What this means is that these negotiations are put on hold and the parties were told to attempt to negotiate a single agreement. If we cannot reach a single agreement, then we can go back to our Section 6 negotiations. That will always be an option for us. The question we have to ask ourselves, is that time now?

We are currently in Single talks that are moving slowly; with simple issues not yet resolved. The much larger issues of Pay, benefits, vacations, scheduling, etc., are upcoming. We need to be in a position of strength when we reach these sections. The best way to show that Strength is when both west and east are united with a common goal.

We play exactly into Parkers hand of cost neutral if we say, lets just take our current contract. The Company would like nothing better to isolate the two groups, so they can avoid a unified fight for a better contact.

I believe now is the time to fight the unified fight. I ask you to join with me in that fight. It is not going to be easy, but nothing worth while ever is. - Gary

So this means, no seperate contracts so we might as well be united with this and try to work it out. Sorry if I opened up a can of worms!

Prior to the contract, the old DPU system was by seniority. It was'nt that bad.

I know it wasn't that bad. I would like to see the hightime/low time self adjust/DPU done through seniority and the personal trades as first come, first serve though.

 

[SKY HIGH]

I am wondering how long PitBull will be medling in the US airways issues. It seems to me that she has negative comments about every posting. I thought when you are out, you are out. I might be mistaken.....

sky high states: Are we reading the same replies?...PITBULL's responses are insightful, and usually RIGHT ON THE MONEY. She does a wonderful job of exposing the truth. U, GO, GIRL.

 

[Twicebaked]

SKY HIGH STATES: PLEASE, DO NOT POST THE LOCATION OF CREWS ON LAYOVERS FOR SECURITY REASONS!!!!!!!!

REMOVE THE HOTEL NAME, SOMEONE!!!!

We are out of there anyway..but, you are correct!!! Use your head people. This is a public forum.

 

[tug_slug]

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!!

I bet you're the kind of person who goes to a football game and thinks they're talking about YOU in the huddle

Once again Bob shows his ignorance toward the plight of the airline employee.

Me, me ,me... it's all about me! Aint that right Bob? :down:

 

[nycbusdriver]

SKY HIGH STATES: PLEASE, DO NOT POST THE LOCATION OF CREWS ON LAYOVERS FOR SECURITY REASONS!!!!!!!!

REMOVE THE HOTEL NAME, SOMEONE!!!!

Your point is well taken and I apologize for the oversight. The system does not permit me at this late date to edit the post and remove the offending language. A moderator would have to do that, and they are welcome to do so.

But, if it was SO OFFENSIVE to you, why did you include the location in your post by quoting mine in its entirety?

 

[tug_slug]

Nope Mr Serious. I was trying to make fun.

Sorry Bob... my bad. I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

Tug

 

[HP_JACK]

whoever started this topic is a fool.. YOu are basing this whole thing on a few uneducated posts. Those handful of people have no idea what they are talking about. They are posting out of panic... those people rather go on the rag board and #### because they don't understand this whole process. A maybe 10 whole people would rather keep the contract separate... not all west fa's! FOOL!

 

[john john]

Section 6 negotiations were tabled by the Federal Mediator in December. What this means is that these negotiations are put on hold and the parties were told to attempt to negotiate a single agreement. If we cannot reach a single agreement, then we can go back to our Section 6 negotiations. That will always be an option for us. The question we have to ask ourselves, is that time now?

We are currently in Single talks that are moving slowly; with simple issues not yet resolved. The much larger issues of Pay, benefits, vacations, scheduling, etc., are upcoming. We need to be in a position of strength when we reach these sections. The best way to show that Strength is when both west and east are united with a common goal.

We play exactly into Parkers hand of cost neutral if we say, lets just take our current contract. The Company would like nothing better to isolate the two groups, so they can avoid a unified fight for a better contact.

I believe now is the time to fight the unified fight. I ask you to join with me in that fight. It is not going to be easy, but nothing worth while ever is. - Gary[/b]

Didn't Glass ask the federal mediation board to suspend Section 6 negotiations and they granted it. Glass has a plan he will use his power and influence with the fed's to take advantage of the situation DO SOME HOME WORK.Glass took on CWA ALPA IAM TWU AFA and WON
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[N903AW]

Didn't Glass ask the federal mediation board to suspend Section 6 negotiations and they granted it. Glass has a plan he will use his power and influence with the fed's to take advantage of the situation

I thought Jerry Glass was a detriment to negotiations, not an asset, according to those who have had past experience with him (which I haven't, yet). So this would be a good thing? Is this even true? Everyone on here who has dealt with him in the past says we should not play into Jerry's hands. Pros? Cons?

What's done is done and it is apparent that the only way to go is to move forward. But I though Jerry was the enemy, not the ally.

I'm asking nicely for a better understanding, not to be crucified, by the way.

 

[john john]

I thought Jerry Glass was a detriment to negotiations, not an assett, according to those who have experience with him (which I don't, yet). So this would be a good thing? Is this even true? Everyone on here who has dealt with him in the past says we should not play into Jerry's hands. Pros? Cons?

Suspending section 6 negotiations was a BAD THING now the clock starts all over again stalling and and time lines are his game

 

[N903AW]

Suspending section 6 negotiations was a BAD THING now the clock starts all over again stalling and and time lines are his game

Really, now I am confused because the majority on here are against section 6 negotiations, or am I mistaken.

Actually, before I ask any more questions about this I just want to ask one more time:

Is this really true?

Just saw his picture in one of the website links posted. Is it just me, or does he look(appearances only) a lot like Duane Woerth of ALPA?!?!

 

[N924PS]

Really, now I am confused because the majority on here are against section 6 negotiations, or am I mistaken.

Actually, before I ask any more questions about this I just want to ask one more time:

Is this really true?

Just saw his picture in one of the website links posted. Is it just me, or does he look(appearances only) a lot like Duane Woerth of ALPA?!?!

Keen eyes. They are in fact the same person. Just like Michael and Janet Jackson are one in the same.

 

[N903AW]

Keen eyes. They are in fact the same person. Just like Michael and Janet Jackson are one in the same.

So THAT'S why Janet and Michael never had hit singles at the same time!

 

[john john]

Really, now I am confused because the majority on here are against section 6 negotiations, or am I mistaken.

Actually, before I ask any more questions about this I just want to ask one more time:

Is this really true?

Just saw his picture in one of the website links posted. Is it just me, or does he look(appearances only) a lot like Duane Woerth of ALPA?!?!

You can look at it anyway you want section 6 negotiations is the only way to get a new contract something management doesn’t want now with LCL making money. AFA west is the only union on the property in this situation. This is fairly new territory I wonder what case study is?

 

[whodoiworkfor]

Until Dougie decided we were going to operate on seperate certificates I think most west folks were willing to neg. to get a new combine contract. Now, that management has changed its tune, west folks just WANT a contract!