Why was the Usairways IAM Mechanic and Related Profit Sharing form the East with the West?

[awausairtech]

You were not entilted to one cent from the profit sharing if you can learn to read the language.

We have been fighting since 1949, your company was not even a dream yet, so don't tell the East you have done more.

You have no clue nor any idea of the battles that were fought on the East.

First of all 700uw when you say WE you must be a part of the Airline you are not.. Second I never said we did more than the east and don't care what us airways inc did in the past or AWA. I do care what this new airline and CEO can do to all of us as UNION MEMBERS. We must learn History can repeat its self. Third I was not saying any thing about whether or not we in the west were entitled to profit sharing the IAM made that decision. What I was asking was IN THE EAST CONTRACT UNDER Change of Control Did it Change the AMOUNT YOU Arrogant east boys should get since we all work for US AIRWAYS GROUP Inc now. We in the west know how the NEW CEO and COMPANY BOYS PLAY. Have a nice day.

 

[700UW]

For almost 18 years I fought the battle, as a shop steward, local lodge officer, district rep and negotiating committee member, I can say we.

And "we" have dealt with people like Parker before, guess you never worked for Siegel and Bronner.

On one hand you say you dont care about what east did then you say you must learn from history, so which is it?

And the profit sharing is driven off the W-2 and the change of control grievanec is one, the W-2s would have been higher so more profit sharing would have been generated, unless the higher wages drove the profits down.

 

[fanlube]

To answer your question awausairtech the East won't fight back they weren't willing to fight back when they/we were losing our pensions, retiree health coverage, holidays, wages, benefits, jobs, and on and on. If they/we weren't willing to fight then they never will be and the company knows it, yeah there a few of us working by the book and being safe but in most regards everything is status quo! And with regards to dealing with people like Seigal and Lakefield and Bronner those guys ate the IAM's lunch just like Parker and his boys are getting ready too! It's not to hard to win a fight when one side deceides not to fight back and we will hear the same excuse this time, and I quote "This isn't the time to fight" when it comes to money the IAM is the same as the company they don't care about individuals all they care about are dues and how many they can collect, this union will never fight back again! So sad!

 

[delldude]

Look here Meat Head I have fought this Company a lot longer that you in the east have, and have Walked out during negotiations to help get a contract!As far as your comment of our piss ass AWA BK, walk a mile in our shoes and the last 12 years.

Like it was all Peaches and Cream over here...too.

When will the east learn we are on your side the same side and stop treating west like some DUMB-ASS cowboys!

You just had to bring that up...didn't you?

 

[Awa Contract]

Why are we not organizing pickets for media day - or is the IAM lacking the gonads

 

[awausairtech]

For almost 18 years I fought the battle, as a shop steward, local lodge officer, district rep and negotiating committee member, I can say we.
(Ok 700uw I will take that into consideration at least you have fought the battles I will go with WE)And "we" have dealt with people like Parker before, guess you never worked for Siegel and Bronner.
(We out here west have lots of different union people from other airlines IE US UAL and so on and even they say this management team is different from others lots different.) On one hand you say you dont care about what east did then you say you must learn from history, so which is it?
( get it right, I said us and awa and what I meant was we need to start to look at this airline as ONE not US or AWA or the way things were. we need to look at history from both and from other airlines like NWA and what that company did to its union members as also what this CEO has done to union brothers and learn how to fight them.) And the profit sharing is driven off the W-2 and the change of control grievanec is one, the W-2s would have been higher so more profit sharing would have been generated, unless the higher wages drove the profits down.(I was just looking after my east brothers by reminding them of the change of control and if the east contract had any language in it that would support them for more money my IAM union brothers are due and not get screwed by this tricky company. the company gave in to easy on this I smell a RAT! like I said we have history with this company)

I still would like to have a copy of the contract the IAM sent to you east guys. have a nice day.

 

[700UW]

The membership is the union, not the leaders, time for the members to step up to the plate.

Unfortunately the east IAM members are like battered wives, they don't care anymore.

You got the PIT delegation worrying about their hangars being shutdown and don't have the gonads to work safe, unlike CLT who did.

But after the the CBA was abrogated, there was a split among the committee as far as a recommendation.

CLT, PHL and the District Leadership wanted to tank it, I will let you guess who was against that.

Ever since then, the members don't care anymore and they will let the company do whatever they want.

I cant speak for the west but you were in negotiations for what, several years before the merger and got no where?

Seems to me the West and East need to stop the finger pointing and infighting and take a stand against this company and put the pressure on the leadership to step up to the plate.

 

[Awa Contract]

We did not get a contract but when things like this came up we were in the media's faces. We picketed the shareholders meetings and marched in support of the other organizied work groups. So why is the IAM not getting signs printed? I will say it again I am willing to work the phones to get guys out there and I will show up personally and picket if the IAM gets us the signage. You claim to know them so why are you not calling them telling them to get off thier a*ses. By the way I have stopped finger pointing and have been calling for unity between east and west. If we stand divided we will fail, and I do not like losing.

 

[700UW]

I am not an employee anymore, you the current employees are the one who need to do things, not us former ones.

 

[Awa Contract]

You seem more than willing to spend your time keeping the group divided and angry at each other. I am calling on you to put forth some effort to unify the group towards the proper enemy. You claim to have been involved with the leadership then talk to them about doing the right thing. You call yourself a unionist and a leader then its about time you act like it. As much as I dislike the IAM I am man enough to put my personal feelings aside and try to do what is right for the work group and lead be example, you should try to do the same. How about putting some effort into unification instead of division.

 

[AP Tech]

The membership is the union,

Exactly(NOT :down: ), that is why the west is their share of the profit sharing per the easts contract!!!!!

 

[awausairtech]

The membership is the union, not the leaders, time for the members to step up to the plate.

I cant speak for the west but you were in negotiations for what, several years before the merger and got no where?

Seems to me the West and East need to stop the finger pointing and infighting and take a stand against this company and put the pressure on the leadership to step up to the plate.

Not to make any excuses this is Just a little history to learn from for all union brothers. The AWA contract was up in 2003 and the company stalled negotiations. NOW when did the talks start with the old us airways for this merger???(2003 is the answer as you and I have posted in the past.)did we not learn or at least open a eye. new boss same as old boss. Now how do we stop them from doing it again before we merge with the next airline and go on another 2 to 3 YEAR STALL/Pay Freeze. What the company has learned is they do not have to come right out and tell you that you are on a pay freeze and piss you off they do it in a way that hides it. I hope east and west can learn to start to fight as one IAM group soon.

 

[delldude]

Exactly(NOT :down: ), that is why the west is their share of the profit sharing per the easts contract!!!!!

Say what...??

You know east should get profit sharing entirely due to the givebacks and job losses that were made BK2.Its in their contract and theirs alone.BUT now we have this merger/aquisition/takeover/buyout/WTF and it causes a special dilema with west.I personnaly do not think west is due any PS but with that said,its a huge blunder to pay east and do nothing with west.Also its unfair to divy easts monies IMO.....Company made this blunder...talks with AWA were ongoing for years and to have put language into an existing contract that was being modeled with the exit plan based on a merger with AWA...well its about as stupid as it gets.
East should get their money totally and in its entirety and Company should fork over wests money from date of merge out of their(companies) pocket entirely.After all they got themselves into this mess and they got enough to buy Delta...WTF,need I say more?
And as a membership,members from both sides should be ringing the phones off the hook and in faces both at the district and local levels to seek an outcome to this idiocracy caused by the Company.

 

[allstrike]

I hope east and west can learn to start to fight as one IAM group soon.

Lots of history between all of us here.And we can learn from it.Right now the company has us seperated at we need to pull out of it.If we dont let the past be the past bewteen the 2 work groups it will eat us up.Weve seen the company put memebers under the same contract at each others throats.

Between M&R and the ramp etc...does anyone have a good number of how many there are total combined east and west.Thats a good place to start...count your assets first..ours is in our numbers.

2nd like 700 said we have to hold the leaderships feet to the fire.And theres only one way to do it,well in PHL there are a couple... past practice.No I wasnt there either.

You have to unify,go to the meetings.The membership is tired of dead end answers,thats why they dont even bother to ask.Ive spent time on the phone with the leadership here and they put more effort into telling me why you could not do something than they did looking at the legal way you could in regards to issues brought to them.

In other words they dont want to make waves..I like waves and I like PI@@ED off it gets stuff done.

But maybe the first place to start is a head count.

e/mail with the address and Ill forward you a copy of the current rag we have of a contract.Since your a member now you should have one.. Mr awa contract..Ill send it out asap.

All of you on this topic are right,just misunderstanding each other some,lol.Stay the course it will work out.
Im tired of playing dead...roll over and all that crap and i dont care to fetch anymore...wuff wuff....

 

[awausairtech]

Between M&R and the ramp etc...does anyone have a good number of how many there are total combined east and west.Thats a good place to start...count your assets first..ours is in our numbers.



I like waves and I like PI@@ED off it gets stuff done.

But maybe the first place to start is a head count.

West side A/P 855 Techs last info is 2 mo. old. Ground mx unk. I like PISSED OFF too as long we can stay focused on what we are Mad at and who.LOL this is a good start.