Petitions are about to start soon to let AFA66 and the International office know how we feel about separate contracts. Get ready to watch that number grow...big time.
West F/A's wants a seperate contract ?
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Petitions are about to start soon to let AFA66 and the International office know how we feel about separate contracts. Get ready to watch that number grow...big time.
See, being a NEW West FA. I personally don't know how I feel about having seperate contracts. I the pay here, is less then deseriable. If not for the merged contract when is the west getting a COL increase?
I used to fly for express and made more money there then I do working here. Isn't that sad? How can you have *1* airline with 2 different flight attendant contracts and having all the fa's getting paid differently? I would be upset after the full blown merger if I was working flights from LAS-PHL (which we DO) and getting paid $16.16 and then PHL-LAS the most junior east crew next door doing the same flight.. getting paid $5 more. How's that possible?
Secondly, get rid of the AUTO feature these line holders have. I'm tired of being called in to work a SAN turn and then go home. you don't pay me enough to do that. Why am I wasting gas, sitting in traffic to work for 2 hours?
The company then tries to figure out why sick calls are up, leaves are up and people are quitting in droves.
Don't get me wrong, I love this company, the NEW US Airways and i'm proud to call myself a Mainline US Airways Flight Attendant, but you have to take care of your people here. I for one, if there is seperate contracts, am leaving.
I used to fly for express and made more money there then I do working here. Isn't that sad? How can you have *1* airline with 2 different flight attendant contracts and having all the fa's getting paid differently? I would be upset after the full blown merger if I was working flights from LAS-PHL (which we DO) and getting paid $16.16 and then PHL-LAS the most junior east crew next door doing the same flight.. getting paid $5 more. How's that possible?
Secondly, get rid of the AUTO feature these line holders have. I'm tired of being called in to work a SAN turn and then go home. you don't pay me enough to do that. Why am I wasting gas, sitting in traffic to work for 2 hours?
The company then tries to figure out why sick calls are up, leaves are up and people are quitting in droves.
Don't get me wrong, I love this company, the NEW US Airways and i'm proud to call myself a Mainline US Airways Flight Attendant, but you have to take care of your people here. I for one, if there is seperate contracts, am leaving.
Bobby, thanks for your input. Here are some facts to also weigh in on. Before the merger was announced, our Negotiating Team that was bargaining for our next contract had made significant progress in obtaining better work rules for our reserve Flight Attendants. This was one of their top priorities. The progress they made was thrown away, only to start from scratch, after the merger occurred and we went to single contract negotiations.
Pay scales had not been negotiated, and still haven't been negotiated in single contract negotiations. Whether negotiations are done separately or combined, pay is a huge issue for all of us and will not be ignored. Personally, I think our reserves have more to gain from a separate contract vs. a single contract - especially if we can regain the progress we had made for your section of the contract before we went to single contract negotiations.
If we could guarentee better work rules for us, I'd sign this petition: however, pay is an issue. I really don't know how all these new reserves are doing this job on this pay. I'm afraid I'll have to quit soon because I just can't afford it. I work all of my GDs too just to make extra money.. and im still not bringing in enough. I also don't have many bills.
If there was some sort of guarentee I'm for it. But at this rate, no one can promise anything.
We bargained for profit sharing, which if I am correct, you folks on the West side are going to participate in. That is our money actually, you have no right to it.
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N903AW, you want to stay separate? Fine. See, at this point, East is far less expensive to operate. We don't make jack. My point? Where do you think all the growth for the airline would go to? My guess is the division that's less expensive. New airplanes and routes--cheaper to fly them with East crews.
So stay in the desert and mind your wee little fifedom. I have one more year in this hell (finally got some sense and went back to college...graduate in '07) and am thankful that I'll not have to work with the likes of someone (such as you) who would sell their brother for a couple of gold coins. Reminds me of that story in the Old Testament about a guy named Joseph and his brothers. If memory serves me, his siblings sell him into slavery, only find themselves later begging for his mercy. Hmmm.
So stay in the desert and mind your wee little fifedom. I have one more year in this hell (finally got some sense and went back to college...graduate in '07) and am thankful that I'll not have to work with the likes of someone (such as you) who would sell their brother for a couple of gold coins. Reminds me of that story in the Old Testament about a guy named Joseph and his brothers. If memory serves me, his siblings sell him into slavery, only find themselves later begging for his mercy. Hmmm.
In my humble opinion, you can keep your profit sharing. We just want OUR contract back and let us negotiate for OURSELVES. "Cost Neutral" is unacceptable over here as well. With your membership playing with OUR contract we are more than likely going to be subject to a Contract that is "neutral" and/or "negative" with everything we will lose to suit the needs of the East membership.
In 2012, or maybe later, we can consider a single contract when yours is up for renegotiation.
That's where a good Scope Clause will come in handy. Everything can be bargained for.
You don't make jack because that is what your membership voted for while your were in BK - twice. Now you guys want to drag us down with you in a single contract?
Right on UWCactus, you are so right!
Greg, I won't sign it!
That attitude is very common here in the west. "They're reserves, that's their job..." My thoughts on that are 'No it's your job and you don't feel like doing it'.
I promise the people from the east that are reading this that not all westies are negative about this merger. There is a large number who feel we must stick together, east and west, and stop the divisionary thinking. Corporations win by dividing and wearing down.
The people from the west that post negative on here post negative just as often on AFA66, and the subject does not even have to be the merger. You think they're slaming you, you should see how much they slam each other. The AFA66 board is only used by a small number, and it was almost shut down because of the fighting and slandering.
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TheNewLowFare
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Well I certainly opened up a can of worms. Sorry if I hit a nerve. I am curious what the MEC is going to present us before aggreeing to a seperate contract.
Just to state for the record, I am not against the merger as a whole. I think that the merger has allowed benefits and opportunities for both carriers as the operations gradually become one.
I do, no surprise here, have concerns with the issue of a single contract. A single contract is more than likely going to diminish and take away so much from our existing West contract that we were hoping to build upon before the merger was ever announced. Yes, we may gain a little here or there, but, honestly I think we have a lot more to lose than to gain.
Does anyone really think that bringing our vacation weeks down to East contract levels with maybe a couple of days added is going to provide harmony between East and West? Do you think we will find "unity" when we lose "on demand" trip pick up (DPU) rights as we go to a more restrictive seniority based system with a single contract? If we lost the ability to work as many hours and/or zero out our hours like we do now that we would be in "solidarity"? If anyone seriously believes that a single contract is going to bring us together as one big happy family then I think they may be fooling themselves. Yes, I do know that separate contracts are not going to bring unity either. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
I am not going to apologize for wanting to hold onto a contract that I voted for and hoped to build upon, regardless of how good or bad that contract is/was. It has been made very clear that there are pros and cons on this issue. As I see it, and as others may see it (or not), the cons right now outweigh the pros on a single contract for those of us in the West operation.
Does wanting a separate contract make me or anyone else for that matter a bad person? I would hope not. We have just as much right as the person who wants a single contract to our beliefs and/or opinions.
