West F/A's wants a seperate contract ?

[N903AW]

Isn't there past precedence of separate contracts following a merger? What comes to mind is the merger between Northwest and Republic with the "Red Tail" and "Green Tail" contracts.

 

[proudf/a]

With separate contracts, we can also keep the other 10% locked out. With our smaller numbers over here, 10% could impact our schedules dramatically with transfers into our domicile.

There are always openings in Phoenix with attrition from our junior ranks. With separate contracts we can hire from off the street or intra-company and keep those who are added to the roster at the bottom to work their way up.

It will also keep those who believe it or not would like to leave precious PHX for bigger and better things from being able to transfer to PHL or CLT. Their seniority might even be better East of the Mississippi. Be careful what you wish you for.

 

[drrstrav]

Yea, that should go over really big with management. Profit sharing from the East...the West did get. Must have slipped AFA66 E-line.

Why would the poster starter address the East MEC? Is the East expected to pay for the West increases?

Why isn't YOUR CEO negotiating in good faith a decent intergrated agreement???? Meaning an increase across the board for everyone.

Here you guys go again...factioning off the West and East. Neither has any leverage without the other.

Good luck if you think you can go it separate and get an increase. Your CEO will buy out your time...by using...yup...time.

I am wondering how long PitBull will be medling in the US airways issues. I did read in some other posting (by her) she is happy working in the Health services, if this is a case, than: Why are you agitating here on this Forum. It seems to me that she has negative comments about every posting. I thought when you are out, you are out. I might be mistaken.....

 

[N903AW]

Negotiate your own contract. Good Luck. Just remember AWA is no longer that small fish in a big pond, there are strength in numbers. You now have somewhere in the ball park of 7000 f/a's, you have the ability to back mgmt into the wall if everyone would get off their high horse and work together. You also have the ability to turn this airline into a great airline. As long as everyone has the East vs. West attitude, that will never happen.

From what we have been silently observing from over here is our East "brothers and sisters" would gladly put us on the street to achieve their goals for a better life for themselves. Save the unity hogwash until we see otherwise through your thoughts and actions.

 

[UWCactus]

The person that started this post is full of it.

The West has never talked about separate contracts..except on the union board that entertains up to 30 people that actually post on there on a regular basis. These people are the same people that have made the choice to not accept change and are probably junior enough to be concerned about the change. I receive regular updates and copies of posts on that board and the must say that the select few on there certainly do not represent the majority of the workforce in the West when topics cover the East.

East folks...do not take this "single contract" thing very seriously and do not allow yourself to get the impression that West is resisting...most are not resisting, but are simply "idle" during this time.

 

[PITbull]

I am wondering how long PitBull will be medling in the US airways issues. I did read in some other posting (by her) she is happy working in the Health services, if this is a case, than: Why are you agitating here on this Forum. It seems to me that she has negative comments about every posting. I thought when you are out, you are out. I might be mistaken.....

You thought wrong...keep wondering...

 

[drrstrav]

The person that started this post is full of it.

The West has never talked about separate contracts..except on the union board that entertains up to 30 people that actually post on there on a regular basis. These people are the same people that have made the choice to not accept change and are probably junior enough to be concerned about the change. I receive regular updates and copies of posts on that board and the must say that the select few on there certainly do not represent the majority of the workforce in the West when topics cover the East.

East folks...do not take this "single contract" thing very seriously and do not allow yourself to get the impression that West is resisting...most are not resisting, but are simply "idle" during this time.



Sadly mistaken. There are appr. 900 members who post on the west forum, and they also call and write to the union office re: representation of their wishes.

 

[N903AW]

It will also keep those who believe it or not would like to leave precious PHX for bigger and better things from being able to transfer to PHL or CLT. Their seniority might even be better East of the Mississippi. Be careful what you wish you for.

Oh my God, are you actually serious?!? Our most senior FAs from Class 1 who began with this airline before we even had planes would be in the middle of your seniority lists (at best) at almost any domicile on the East. The only exception is probably LaGuardia and I doubt very seriously they would want to leave PHX and their high yield turns to go to precious LGA to work the Shuttle.

 

[Zarah]

So the root of the problem, as you see it, is that the East and West union can not agree on what should and should not be in the contract?

Or is it that the West members are not agreeing with what the West union is trying to negociate?

Confused. =(

 

[LCC_#1]

ROFL! The Company has done nothing to divide and conquer. Go back and read posts from your colleagues on the East...they have done a fine job of that themselves and we would rather remain divided than meld with that sort of mentality.

You are a bitter fool. You are giving in to the "awe shucks" bullshiit of DP. This new company has done everything the old AWA way and you guys STILL arent happy!! I can't wait to take my 20 yrs and transfer to PHX just for spite!!! You guys want dirty..well damnit you got it!!! I am sick and tired of the pissing and moaning from the west. We are negotiating one contract and ALL of us will have a yes or no vote. You people out west LOVE to play victim. There is NO reason to not stand TOGETHER and take the BEST of BOTH contracts but someone is either scaring you or feeding you a line of BS!! Where are the voices of reason out WEST?!! I am SOOOOO over you people and YES, I say that in the MOST derogatory way!!!
:down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :down: :angry: :angry: angry:
Angry? HELL YES!!!

 

[PITbull]

If you think about it...the West f/as maybe correct. If DP is looking for cost neutral single agreement...then all the East and West would be doing is swapping the same money around. There are more East f/as then West, therefore, according to DP and company neg. the West would be spending most of their provisions on enhancing the East with the same money.

If I were on the MEC of West, I would only be focused on the section 6 negotiations. I would be picketing and makin some much noise in the media it would make management look like incompetent greedy SOBs.

I don't believe that the West will have the kinds of improvements they deserve to have. Regardless of the company merger that was decided by a bunch of investors, the labor groups on the West are entitled to negotiate their own agreements and use whatever means section 6 provides.

Once the West has ratified agreement from their own members, then talks of merged provisions can occur. However, I think that the East is just going to have to wait until 2012. I would bet that whatever agreement the West could possibly attain and however long that will take, the new amendable date for AWA will be 2012 to coincide with the East.

 

[N903AW]

Angry? HELL YES!!!

I guess I would be angry too. There are some of us who are not going to basically bend over and let a more senior workgroup who still dream of their bloated payscales and primadonna seniority driven work rules shove a contract that only benefits THEM down our THROATS.

I would be pissed too when the "Westies" finally showed that we just may have an Ace up our sleeve.

A single contract is nothing more than you hijacking our contract (the only one that was up for negotiation to begin with) to achieve your goals.

Yep, stay angry, because if the action we are planning does become reality then you will be stuck on your BK contract for another 6 plus years. Take your 20 years...ooooh....and keep them on the East side. With a separate contract you won't be able to transfer here whether for spite or because you really want to.

We are just as angry over here...and trust me we are just getting started.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

The person that started this post is full of it.

indeed. the person that started this post also offered this piece of comparative wisdom some time ago: "Hp has never had one fatality, US Airways has."
this is more incendiary nonsense, i suspect...

 

[PITbull]

I guess I would be angry too. There are some of us who are not going to basically bend over and let a more senior workgroup who still dream of their bloated payscales and primadonna seniority driven work rules shove a contract that only benefits THEM down our THROATS.

I would be pissed too when the "Westies" finally showed that we just may have an Ace up our sleeve.

A single contract is nothing more than you hijacking our contract (the only one that was up for negotiation to begin with) to achieve your goals.

Yep, stay angry, because if the action we are planning does become reality then you will be stuck on your BK contract for another 6 plus years. Take your 20 years...ooooh....and keep them on the East side. With a separate contract you won't be able to transfer here whether for spite or because you really want to.

We are just as angry over here...and trust me we are just getting started.

N9,

I take back my first post on this thread. After reading some of these posts...and what I've seen and heard on the East, I think it maybe wiser to go it separate for the West.

Why have the West suffer the contract of the East. The only reason why the East is at the most deplorable contracts is because of BK. You're in section 6...take advantage of that.

From what I understand, a federal mediator has suspended your section 6 negotiations. I believe the company may have told the mediators that since the announcment of the merger, labor would be actively negotiating single transistion provisons and utlimately new contracts. Its a stall tactic.

Its time to force your MEC to legally fight that suspension. You have to demand from your reps to go to AFA legal and lift that ruling, appeal it, or take legal action.

 

[drrstrav]

I've been reading the AFA66 boards lately and been seeing alot of dissatisfaction from the west f/as about where the contract is going.

Seems the US East wants everything good that the west contract has like more vacation, full dead head pay etc. , but yet when it comes to the high time/drop pick up, schedules, profit sharing etc. they want everything done their way and not share anything. Seems the east have this mentality that everything is about them and the West should not be included in the "perks" that they seem so entitled, then why, WHY are we negotiating a single contract??


In addition, keeping our contracts separate would probably provide the west the "Fence" that we have been wanting all along if a provision is made that East members CANNOT jump from one contract to the other.

I'd say, the east should keep their archaic contract until 2012 and the west negotiate their own contract.
Doug Parker said he doesn't have a problem with seperate contracts, so the west f/a's are planning on collecting signatures and presenting it to the union.