US Pilots' Labor Thread 6/24-6/30 Stay On Topic

[traderjake]

But since you opened the door no one has yet to answer what your gonna say to your little baby girl when she asks "daddy, (mommy) whats integrity and why did you sacrifice your priciples to save yourself from termination by joining USAPA and how can you claim to be such pillar of integity when you turned tail at the first sign of hardship?"

There's a difference between what's right and what's legal.

You couldn't steal their jobs through DOH so now you want to do it by getting them fired.

Since you opened the door, I hope your wife is the one teaching your daughter integrity.

 

[Beancounter]

An east captain told me about this website and said a good deal of east pilots subscribe. He was a great guy, just like most of the east pilots I've met. It's the flight attendants that scare me. I had one start verbally assaulting me while I was standing in line for a burrito in PHX. I'm almost 40, but look late 20's. Jeesh some of those gals are mean.
My understanding of the recent ruling is that the Nic award stands, but that a combined list is still required(ie majority vote). My question is, what exactly do the east pilots expect the west pilots to do. Even if we wanted to we couldn't change the seniority list. Is it fences?

 

[HPDriver]

...a 190 F/O.

And that's where you're going to stay.

 

[prechilill]

you guys are just way to hung up on this stupid "integrity" kick. I never "claimed integrity". My integrity is my business and I have zero regard for what you think about it. But since you opened the door no one has yet to answer what your gonna say to your little baby girl when she asks "daddy, (mommy) whats integrity and why did you sacrifice your priciples to save yourself from termination by joining USAPA and how can you claim to be such pillar of integity when you turned tail at the first sign of hardship?" All of you are exactly like all of us and trust me thats a compliment. Get off your high horses, your full of it and you know it. Keep on fighting the good fight, we will too and I for one respect you for that at least but get over this BS about how righteous you are, you are just as greedy as I am. fools

I believe many west pilots are good union people with solid moral principles (if only we can say the same about out brethren out east). We now have protections from the USAPa mafia running this pilot group into the ground and have the numbers to make a difference and we intend to use those numbers to do so in the near future. We want to help ourselves and also help you- that is what a union is supposed to do. It looks like this may be a new concept to you, but since you are a recent new hire, or have very little time at this airline as evident by your relative position, I can understand if you don't really know how a union is supposed to operate. Unionism is the bedrock of labor in America and without unity across ALL workgroups at USAirways, not just pilots, you will continue to live life at 50k a year in the right seat of a regional jet.
--The Reality Express is now departing on track 9---

 

[prechilill]

I rather expect yet more "Gimme my Nic!!...Waah!" standard rhetoric that means absoulutely nothing at all in reply = "Time to move forward....Pie-in-the-Sky, bye and bye when you fly!....40 acres and a mule if you'll just vote in my nic!...rant/rave...Blah Blah Blah/etc".

Can somebody please translate this for me? Thanks.

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

We have the numbers to make a difference and we intend to use those numbers to do so in the near future. We want to help ourselves and also help you-

I see, so now you are joining to make a difference, it has nothing to do with section 29 termination... ok if you say so. why couldn't you all have joined before wake? couldn't you have made a difference then? Face it, your joining so you don't get fired because your job means more to you than your principles and integrity, as does mine. You preachers (both sides) just spin spin spin but you can't take it when it comes back in your face.

 

[prechilill]

I see, so now you are joining to make a difference, it has nothing to do with section 29 termination... ok if you say so. why couldn't you all have joined before wake? couldn't you have made a difference then? Face it, your joining so you don't get fired because your job means more to you than your principles and integrity, as does mine. You preachers (both sides) just spin spin spin but you can't take it when it comes back in your face.

Show us all how principled you are...QUIT. You don't have to live under Nicolau...Just walk off the job! You talk a lot so take action, my friend!

And there is a subtle difference between you (refusing to honor your agreement) and the west pilots (abiding by the law which says we have to pay dues). You cheated in flight school but you cannot cheat your way through life- It is that simple.

Best of luck in your new career.

 

[EastUS]

Can somebody please translate this for me? Thanks.

My pleasure. You claimed that you had some clue about how to "move forward" and establish "an industry leading contract", which was obviously, nothing but empty rhetoric and complete nonsense. I requested that you provide ANY details and specifics as to how this was to be accomplished, accurately predicted that all that would be returned instead was a bucket of empty BS....which you've just provided.

 

[EastUS]

You don't have to live under Nicolau...

That does yet seem to be the case.

 

[EastUS]

There's a difference between what's right and what's legal.

No joke there......

 

[EastUS]

Unionism is the bedrock of labor in America and without unity across ALL workgroups at USAirways, not just pilots, you will continue to live life at 50k a year in the right seat of a regional jet.

A small point for your consideration; Didn't ALL those other employee groups (by ALL, I mean each and every single one) successfully integrate by date of hire?...giving actual and proper respect for all others within their same class and craft? Is it not true that the only group that felt itself so remarkably "special", so as to require preferential treatment, was/is the little tribe of west pilots, who refuse to consider anything other than their own selfish interest?

"I believe many west pilots are good union people with solid moral principles.." Uh Huh...If you say so. All evidence and actual behavior and history points to the contrary though.

 

[luvn737s]

Prior to Wake's ruling, membership in USAPA was a vote to undermine your own career by supporting the DOH fantasy. Now, with Nic a codified reality, west pilots can participate in re-vamping USAPA (if that's feasible) or replacing it altogether. The timing of Sec 29 letters and the Wake ruling are obviously coincidence and do not reflect any breakdown in integrity.

It would be interesting to see a similar causal relationship between the Wake ruling and both a demand from all east pilots for accountability and performance by their elected leaders as well as a demand for an armistice to the USAPA civil war.

But I'm not holding my breath.

 

[luvn737s]

luvn737s:"Conflict with management??? Oh, I'd love to see a strike vote under this crew. We all need more laughter.."
All can clearly see just exactly how much help you and yours would EVER be in obtaining "an industry leading contract"....small wonder that management's laughing :blink:

No, You'll likely never see USAPA roll out a strike vote and make plain for all to see how little support they really have.

 

[EastUS]

No, You'll likely never see USAPA roll out a strike vote and make plain for all to see how little support they really have.

As previously noted = All can clearly see just exactly how much help you and yours would EVER be in obtaining "an industry leading contract"....small wonder that management's laughing....

 

[nycbusdriver]

Sorry to burst your bubble chief, but Wake says there WILL be a vote so it doesn't matter what you say.

Did I miss the part where Wake says he gets to mark all the ballots, too?

Absent that, don't expect a quick outcome on the cashing of your lottery ticket.