US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

Bob has explained his situation clearl y before. You need to pay attention. You think you have us all pegged, you don't.

yes,

Bob is unwilling to sell out 90 % of the EAST pilot that will take a bath with the NIC for a raise...
High five to Bob... but either way it doesn't matter...

a contract is not near with Parker in place.
until the next merger and he needs it..

on top of that Parker is lying again when he says the pilot situation doesn't really matter in a merger.

 

[CallawayGolf]

yes,

Bob is unwilling to sell out 90 % of the EAST pilot that will take a bath with the NIC for a raise...
High five to Bob... but either way it doesn't matter...

a contract is not near with Parker in place.
until the next merger and he needs it..

on top of that Parker is lying again when he says the pilot situation doesn't really matter in a merger.

So many inaccuracies in one short post.
90% of east pilots? Really, what percentage do the top 517 WB pilots represent of the total east population? Is it more or less than 10%?

Of course the NIC doesn’t place any large group of east pilots below west pilots other than those furloughed at the PID, so the whole premise of this comment is factually flawed.
Parker will likely be in place for a long time. I would say he has a very good shot of outlasting USAPA’s tenure as the CBA. Of course that is my opinion which carries no more or less weight than your opinion that Parker will not facilitate a pilot contract. You may recall that it is USAPA, not Parker, who is currently and has historically delayed the pilot CBA. Parker/Management has offered up terms for a new contract, has filed the DJ to move the JCBA process along, and has consistently made public statements noting a willingness to see a JCBA be ratified and complete the last remaining items from the merger.

On the other hand, the east pilots and USAPA have 1) walked out on contract negotiations (delay), have willfully ignored the results of binding arbitration (delay), have appealed a district court ruling that would have resolved the seniority question (delay), have filed a MTD to perpetuate the stalemate over section 22 (delay), and have crafted a potentially illegal (DFR) seniority list to replace the one that has already been accepted and which was upheld based on the merits in a federal district court (delay).

Can you prove Parker is lying? From statements made by Parker, Kirby and others, it seems that the UA/US merger was fully ready to be announced and consummated until Continental stepped in to persuade UA to reconsider CO as a merger partner. How can that be if the east pilot contract really does matter in terms of allowing Parker to structure a merger deal?

Do you have facts and proof or are you just counter-transferring your frustration with USAPA on to Parker?

 

[Boeing Driver]

A big thank you to all of the lowlife scumbag desert rodents who came scurrying out for the latest crew news in PHX. Better material could not have been obtained if we had paid for it! The collective hissy fit has been recorded for posterity, and you WILL be seeing it again in the future....

You have got to love the AWA pilot arrogance. Excellent!

Boeing Driver

 

[Ames]

Don't beat around the bush! Let us know how you truly feel about us.

Sure.
You're scumbag assholes.

 

[Ames]

Very interesting, You do relize this is the same LEE MOAK that said the airline industry would be better off without usairways!

A wise man who represents the interests of thousands of airline pilots.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

A wise man who represents the interests of thousands of airline pilots.

never trust anyone completely, you are bound to get deceived ! MM

 

[nic4us]

Nic,

I can't answer for the other guy but from my point of view I have not had another east pilot tell me they want a contract now (with the nic) so they can bid PHX.

Regards,

Bob

Bob,

I have met two who specifically told me, unprompted by me I might add (I never bring up these matters with east pilots in person) that they would like usapa to just implement the Nic and get a joint contract so they could just drive across town to the parking lot rather than have to commute across the country. One was a DCA A320 captain and the other was a CLT A320 FO.

Further, I have met numerous east pilots from SAN (including luv9's Mr. my money is on Parker), three from LAX, one from RNO, one from LAS, and I know there are a bunch in the bay area.

If I remember correctly, even Sully testified about how his commute would be easier to PHX?

My jab at Luv9 was to show that there are indeed east pilots who are being harmed by usapa and their fellow east pilots.

Also, I was hoping luv9 would have replied because I do not understand his motivation. He says he is in the top 400, yet brags about attrition that would not effect a pilot in the top 400.

One more thing, I have carried over 2 dozen east flight attendants home to western domiciles (most to/from SAN), and forced seperate ops is also hurting them.

 

[nic4us]

It's interesting how the term "collusion"seems to continually "pop-up" in the new vernacular of labor discussions. It's DOH. Even Parker recognizes all the other labor unions went that way. BTW, the Latest PHX crew news won't help your case in "DFR II".

Good luck with your flawed legal arguments.

Not that a crew new transcript would sway a jury much, but as I watched the latest crew video, what I took away was that Parker said numeraous times. "Well what you have is a DFR issue" or "I understand you do not feel you are being represented properly" those types of comments.

Well, now that the CEO is on record showing a clear understanding of issues where the West has been victim of usapa's DFR behavior, the company will have a pretty tough time seperating itself from usapa if we ever get to the "unquestionably ripe DFR".

In Parkers own words, "we are working hard to treat both sides fairly", the problem arises in that the company has to deal with usapa, who does not treat both sides equally, and the company knows it, therefore the company does not treat both sides fairly by allowing usapa to shut out West representation, particularly over West grievence issues.


PS. you cracked me up with the "flawed legal arguements" statement. Next time you see Seham, ask him why you don't have DOH yet. Then ask him what he is going to do for the Southwest mechanics. Then ask yourself how you could have been soooo stupid.

 

[767one]

I am confused. You say you are a 767captain. You say it is not about the money but you want a raise. You say it is about time off and a new contract would give you more time off with better work rules and more vacation time. But you do not want the Nicolau. You do understand at this point it is one or the other Nicolau or a new contract?

What do you want? What are you holding out for?

CD,
I would like a lot of things but I'm a realist. I understand that if east and west kiss and make up and usapa is westified or alpa comes back on the property we will get a contract when the company feels they need it to make the next deal happen and then it will be a cram down with a 12 hr. deadline particularly if the company is dealing with alpa again. I'm holding out to see if the LOA 93 arbitration is won (but not holding my breath) and I'm holding out to see if the judge will give the company a free pass on nic or doh with c/r.

What do I want? A contract without the nic, a pay raise retroactive to last Jan., 48 days of vacation, my retirement restored, lifetime medical insurance 4 day trips with 50 hr. ron's that pay 29hrs but I will settle for a contract without the nic and a modest 20-30% raise,increased vacation and a few other things. Bottom line is that with about 18 months to go I don't really think I'll see a chance to vote on a contract but if I do get a chance to vote and it includes the nic the vote will be no.


Regards,


Bob

 

[nic4us]

A big thank you to all of the lowlife scumbag desert rodents who came scurrying out for the latest crew news in PHX. Better material could not have been obtained if we had paid for it! The collective hissy fit has been recorded for posterity, and you WILL be seeing it again in the future....

You have got to love the AWA pilot arrogance. Excellent!

Boeing Driver

While I cannot claim credit for attending, you are quite welcome.

Oh, and you did pay for it.

Have a nice day scab.

 

[cleardirect]

A big thank you to all of the lowlife scumbag desert rodents who came scurrying out for the latest crew news in PHX. Better material could not have been obtained if we had paid for it! The collective hissy fit has been recorded for posterity, and you WILL be seeing it again in the future....

You have got to love the AWA pilot arrogance. Excellent!

Boeing Driver

You mean the part where almost everyone in the room stated that usapa was not representing the west fairly? Very difficult for usapa to say that it is just a minority of west pilots that feel that way.

Could it the part where Parker said sue the union for DFR?

Maybe you mean propaganda put out by usapa?

Your are correct. If Parker does not change his way and if usapa do not change their way you will see that same reaction and worse.

 

[767one]

Bob,

I have met two who specifically told me, unprompted by me I might add (I never bring up these matters with east pilots in person) that they would like usapa to just implement the Nic and get a joint contract so they could just drive across town to the parking lot rather than have to commute across the country. One was a DCA A320 captain and the other was a CLT A320 FO.

Further, I have met numerous east pilots from SAN (including luv9's Mr. my money is on Parker), three from LAX, one from RNO, one from LAS, and I know there are a bunch in the bay area.

If I remember correctly, even Sully testified about how his commute would be easier to PHX?

My jab at Luv9 was to show that there are indeed east pilots who are being harmed by usapa and their fellow east pilots.

Also, I was hoping luv9 would have replied because I do not understand his motivation. He says he is in the top 400, yet brags about attrition that would not effect a pilot in the top 400.

One more thing, I have carried over 2 dozen east flight attendants home to western domiciles (most to/from SAN), and forced seperate ops is also hurting them.

Nic,

I accept your statement about those who would like to fly out of PHX, I have not run into them but I don't dispute your statement.

Regards,


Bob

 

[Black Swan]

You think that the west pilots telling the CEO that the union is not representing us fairly hurts our case?

A jury found usapa liable of DFR. Answer this. Do you think that usapa over the last has has given us MORE evidence of DFR? Why do you think we are not recalling Cleary? He hands us more evidence everyday that usapa is not representing west pilots fairly.

Read the last PHX update. What do you think a jury will do with a contract that gives 94% of the contract and 85% of the seniority to east pilots? Fair representation of west pilots?

That was the funniest video yet! You guys absolutely got destroyed by Parker. All I heard was massive crying, and Parker methodically taking your arguments down, one, by one. All you pilots did was complain, and he countered with facts. He is going to be the best witness available if you begin to try DFR 2. For US. The part where he told you about how he consulted all the labor lawyers from around the country, and basically asserted what we told you from day one. The Nic was a product of the old bargaining power, yes, he accepted it, but he cannot implement it. He would have done it if he could, and you can't be that dumb not to get that. The Suzie chick telling the group how she HATES, meanwhile the camera moves and lets us all in on a little secret- she brought the kid to the meeting and spouted crap in front of him! What a way to teach a kid about having a little respect for your company CEO or another adult.Unbelievable. Keep bringing up the first trial- the one Wake shepherded for the flock. Next time, Seeham Team 6 will blow the doors off with Parker providing expert testimony against you. Thankfully we figured out what you haven't yet, those crew meals make you fat. Most of us never ate them anyway in case you never figured it out. There was a lot of lard floating around that room, angry lard. That was one very telling meeting and film. Just a bunch of whining, and no substance. This deal, is over.

 

[Black Swan]

You mean the part where almost everyone in the room stated that usapa was not representing the west fairly? Very difficult for usapa to say that it is just a minority of west pilots that feel that way.

Could it the part where Parker said sue the union for DFR?

Maybe you mean propaganda put out by usapa?

Your are correct. If Parker does not change his way and if usapa do not change their way you will see that same reaction and worse.

Yah, and all the Nazis in Nuremburg said they were forced to do what they did, and were innocent. USAPA is doing an excellent job representing the majority here. Just because you take an untenable and unrealistic position on seniority does not mean they have to back it. Who cares what the crying bunch claim. Parker absolutely blew your doors off. That meeting was the best one ever. It was abundantly clear Parker is finished with your antics.

 

[Ames]

never trust anyone completely, you are bound to get deceived ! MM

I don't trust many people, especially after dealing with you eastholes all these years. I am simply recognizing wisdom when I see it.