US Pilots Labor Discussion

[KTM300]

The reason you have never seen it occur, is because you have never seen an enabled union busting lawyer and his scab union take control after a merger.

Actually there are quite a few more than 3000 pilots at LCC junior to me, I was just using round numbers.

I am not as experienced with mergers as you. I have only been through two corporate aquisitions, both times on the side doing the aquiring. But what I have learned is there is always one side who says "it just ain't fair". Well, this time that was your side, and it is going to stay that way.

Sorry Joe, the little lawyer can't help you steal my job.

Please tell us what two corporate aquisitions you have been through. Spare us all the bandwidth by not claiming the AAA/AWE merger was an aquisition. It would only dilute your credibility

 

[nic4us]

Please tell us what two corporate aquisitions you have been through. Spare us all the bandwidth by not claiming the AAA/AWE merger was an aquisition. It would only dilute your credibility

I am terribly sorry, I mispoke.

I have been through one aquisition, and in our case, one reverse aquisition.

Your denial of the facts surrounding our corporate history dilutes your credibility.

 

[luvthe9]

Leonidas is the single reason that you have not cashed your DOH "lottery ticket".
Leonidas is stronger than ever. You will only get the movement that your attrition is currently getting you. You will be force fed the Nicolau award by the legal system. You CONTINUE to lose huge amounts of money that Mr. Parker is proud to have be a part of his overall financial health at LCC. You will only get a better contract when you figure out that the Nicolau award IS the only seniority list AND are willing to install that in section 22. The next step is to change and add to the NAC with people that actually have experience in completing a sucessful contract TA (vs. Winkin, Blinkin & Nod).

Leonidas is the reason your careers are going no where, which is quite fine. "Stronger than ever" now who is spinning, good joke. We are quite happy with the attrition which will be picking up quickly, your furloughed pilots that come east will be on a widebody long before you will, which is nice. When Kasher comes in Leonidas will come apart at the seams, which is nice. Be patient and watch it all unflold.

 

[Pi brat]

But by the same token, can't some of the east understand where a brute force attempt at submitting us isn't going to go over so well?

I completely understand it and would feel the same way if I were in your shoes.

 

[Pi brat]

All I know is I looked good on the video. (I didn't ask any questions but I was in view while another did.)

Shoot, I was wrong. I had you pegged as the "we hate you" guy. Is that cleardirect? Or Ames? NIC4us............?

 

[jetjok1]

I completely understand it and would feel the same way if I were in your shoes.

I second that!. We continue to think alike Pi.....i'll just let you do the talking

 

[flybynite]

What would happen if the company decided to merge with another company? and it was an ALPA carrier? and ALPA was voted back in as the bargaining agent?

Also, what would happen with the Nic Award?

And taking it a little further, what would happen if the so called merger was with a carrier that had it's own in-house pilot union too... such as American or Delta?

 

[Metroyet]

What would happen if the company decided to merge with another company? and it was an ALPA carrier? and ALPA was voted back in as the bargaining agent?

Also, what would happen with the Nic Award?

And taking it a little further, what would happen if the so called merger was with a carrier that had it's own in-house pilot union too... such as American or Delta?

Easy Question to answer. Lawsuits would be filed by all sides, and 10 years from now, US Airways EAST would still be paid less than turbo prop commuter wages.

 

[767one]

Hey top 400 guy, what is it with you that you don't mind screwing over east pillots who want to bid PHX and cut their commute?

Nic,

I can't answer for the other guy but from my point of view I have not had another east pilot tell me they want a contract now (with the nic) so they can bid PHX.

Regards,

Bob

 

[767one]

That is one of my favorite songs, I think it should be retitled the USAirways management theme song.


Regards,


Bob

 

[767one]

Solidarity is an interesting word. According to the general definition it is a "union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests, as between members of a group or between classes, peoples, etc."

While solidarity is an important word, it is preceeded alphabetally by HONOR, INTEGRITY and RESPONSIBILIY. The reason that the East US Air pilots do not have our support for a new contract (as negotiated by our completely inexperienced NAC....."What can we give the company today??"), is because you have FAILED to recognize the result of a final & binding merger process (not tu mentions that they are GIVING AWAY THE FARM!).

You will eventually be force fed that seniority list legally, AND you all will have lost MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars and TIME OFF that will NEVER be recovered.

I do know the words of Solidarity Forever". Do you know the word of Proverbs 10:9?

If you are a LURKER here and a MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING, here is your chance to help make our union a REAL UNION. Please visit www.reformUSAPA.com Please read the opening statements and look up the ammendments that we seek to carry to a vote. Make your voice be heard! Thank you.

CB,


I can't speak for others but I can tell you for me it's not about the money. I sap down most months and as for time off I get enough time off. It would be good if we could get a contract with a raise and more time off but it is not important enough for me to vote on a contract with the nic in it. You may be right about being force fed the nic but I'm willing to wait and see.


Regards,


Bob

 

[nevergiveup]

Nic,

I can't answer for the other guy but from my point of view I have not had another east pilot tell me they want a contract now (with the nic) so they can bid PHX.

Regards,

Bob

Not sure why some think that taking the NIC will get us a contract. It has nothing to do with what the company is willing to pay us. The company will stall for as long as they can. They may say that employee parking is too expensive, but one excuse to avoid standard wages is as good as another.

 

[luvthe9]

Nic,

I can't answer for the other guy but from my point of view I have not had another east pilot tell me they want a contract now (with the nic) so they can bid PHX.

Regards,

Bob

I was referring to Mr. "my money is on Doug Parker" a west coast commuter. Our big bus boy in CLT.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Not sure why some think that taking the NIC will get us a contract. It has nothing to do with what the company is willing to pay us. The company will stall for as long as they can. They may say that employee parking is too expensive, but one excuse to avoid standard wages is as good as another.

Perhaps it’s because a non-NIC contract would require Management collusion with USAPA to breach the Transition Agreement and put Management squarely in the target of an AOL/west pilot hybrid DFR lawsuit. Since that is never going to happen, the only way for USAPA to get a non-NIC JCBA is if a court or the NMB somehow indemnifies Management from collusion liability. That too isn’t likely to happen, so NIC is the only valid and sensible way of attaining a JCBA.

USAPA can take out all the newspaper ads and send all the letters it wants to Management or the media and it still won’t result in a new JCBA. As much as people want to claim Management is intentionally stalling contract negotiations, the truth of the matter is that USAPA and its east supporters are solely to blame for the lack of a contract or even closing out other sections of the CBA. If USAPA accepted the NIC and began to negotiate in good faith on the other sections of the contract, then a Tentative Agreement isn’t just possible, it could be attained in a relatively short timeframe. The current USAPA strategy has virtually no chance of producing a JCBA.

 

[cleardirect]

CB,


I can't speak for others but I can tell you for me it's not about the money. I sap down most months and as for time off I get enough time off. It would be good if we could get a contract with a raise and more time off but it is not important enough for me to vote on a contract with the nic in it. You may be right about being force fed the nic but I'm willing to wait and see.


Regards,


Bob

I am confused. You say you are a 767captain. You say it is not about the money but you want a raise. You say it is about time off and a new contract would give you more time off with better work rules and more vacation time. But you do not want the Nicolau. You do understand at this point it is one or the other Nicolau or a new contract?

What do you want? What are you holding out for?