US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

I used to think you lowlifes were just being obtuse. Now I know you lowlifes just don't get it.....

You have got to love it...

Boeing Driver

You are right Driver. They actually believe the East pilots will take the Nic, that will in turn prevent them from upgrading, going to a widebody, etc. It makes no sense, yet they continue to believe we will vote out Cleary, and next, will take a contract that gives them all the upgrades and widebodies. It will never happen. Either way, the airline cannot survive continuing to do business the way they do. SWA will literally eat us alive, beginning in PHX and working east. East pilots are going to keep what we have, until the horse dies from being flogged too hard.

 

[Black Swan]

Perhaps they were told that no harm exists until someone's "stolen" identity is actually used to harm them.

Could they have been told their complaint wasn't ripe??

Go ahead and visit a bank, wave a pistol around, but don't shoot. You didn't harm anybody. I guess you walk away after you explain to the cops you didn't hurt anyone............Seriously, where do you get these strange ideas?

 

[Black Swan]

Yep! he was introduced by Doug Parker at the Labor Committee Meeting of The Board Of Directors

And this is exactly the situation in which he thrives. A divided pilot group is just what he will use to never give you a deal you will feel you can accept. And if you accept it, you will regret it forever. This pilot group will never be up to taking him on. I can't wait to see how long it takes for the west pilots to figure him out. He ate the lunch of the East pilots who were not up to it last go.They did not have the stones to vote no. And we are still paying the price. This time, we are of the age where we honestly will take it all away for good if they push. Are you guys out west of this mindset? Probably not seeing your age. Fasten your seatbelts.

 

[cleardirect]

You are right Driver. They actually believe the East pilots will take the Nic, that will in turn prevent them from upgrading, going to a widebody, etc. It makes no sense, yet they continue to believe we will vote out Cleary, and next, will take a contract that gives them all the upgrades and widebodies. It will never happen. Either way, the airline cannot survive continuing to do business the way they do. SWA will literally eat us alive, beginning in PHX and working east. East pilots are going to keep what we have, until the horse dies from being flogged too hard.

I would say that you are more of a loon than a swan.

Are you not paying attention. The east started a recall but the west pilots are not joining in the raindeer games. We like Mike right where he is doing exactly what he is doing.
usapa is not going to get anybody a contract. So you do not have to worry about getting off of reserve from that 190 anytime soon.

Yes the company can and has survived just like it has. You guys are running a great operation. On time, complaints down, nice job boys.

BTW we have been competing with SWA for a very long time and have done just fine thank you very much. How did it work out for you east boys in BWI and PIT?

 

[cleardirect]

And this is exactly the situation in which he thrives. A divided pilot group is just what he will use to never give you a deal you will feel you can accept. And if you accept it, you will regret it forever. This pilot group will never be up to taking him on. I can't wait to see how long it takes for the west pilots to figure him out. He ate the lunch of the East pilots who were not up to it last go.They did not have the stones to vote no. And we are still paying the price. This time, we are of the age where we honestly will take it all away for good if they push. Are you guys out west of this mindset? Probably not seeing your age. Fasten your seatbelts.

Oh no an east guy that wants to burn the place down. Surprise! Scary!

News flash we have dealt with Jerry Glass before. So no big deal we have him figured out.

Something else you should keep in mind. The same group of pilots that voted yes for a bad deal before are the same east pilots that are going to vote if usapa ever gets people that know what they are doing on the NAC. But not to worry. We will not see a contract for a very long time. Most of you old guys will be gone on LOA 93 before we see the next contract. Jerry will enjoy your lunch. Wendy's still has the dollar menu right?

 

[Black Swan]

Oh no an east guy that wants to burn the place down. Surprise! Scary!

News flash we have dealt with Jerry Glass before. So no big deal we have him figured out.

Something else you should keep in mind. The same group of pilots that voted yes for a bad deal before are the same pilots that are going to vote if usapa ever gets people that know what they are doing on the NAC. But not to worry. We will not see a contract for a very long time. Most of you old guys will be gone on LOA 93 before we see the next contract. Jerry will enjoy your lunch. Wendy's still has the dollar menu right?

I love it. A 2003 hire who knows it all, and will risk it all for his chance to jump on someones back for something he never earned. Must be Mesa. Would that be correct Clear? I can't wait for the first Glass offer that will get you to perk up. Pay freeze or 3% for longevity 1-12 yrs.5% for 12-20. 25% for those above that tier. 45 days vacation for longevity 25 yrs and up. 35 days for those in years 20-25. No increase for yrs. 1-20. He has a real saavy team that has done the actuarials on where the break even points are, and believe me, the younger masses will do the heavy lifting for a longer period of time in his world. Do you have the votes to deny that one? Lets' see............Do you fell lucky today Clear? You obviously are a novice with Glass. This is going to be very interesting......

 

[cleardirect]

I love it. A 2003 hire who knows it all, and will risk it all for his chance to jump on someones back for something he never earned. Must be Mesa. Would that be correct Clear? I can't wait for the first Glass offer that will get you to perk up. Pay freeze or 3% for longevity 1-12 yrs.5% for 12-20. 25% for those above that tier. 45 days vacation for longevity 25 yrs and up. 2 more days for those in years 20-25. No increase for yrs. 1-20. He has a real saavy team that has done the actuarials on where the break even points are, and believe me, the younger masses will do the heavy lifting for a longer period of time in his world. Do you have the votes to deny that one? Lets' see............Do you fell lucky today Clear? You obviously are a novice with Glass. This is going to be very interesting......

You funny guy!

Name another airline that has a 12-20 and above pay scale?

You obviously are a novice in the airline business. Is that what you think the NAC is asking for? No wonder they only have 8 sections done.

Do try and pay attention. The nac is asking for industry STANDARD. The industry standard is not 12- 20 and above longevity scales. Ask Glass if you can borrow a dollar so you can buy a clue.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You funny guy!

Sounds like B.S. is starting to realize that the Nic is coming sooner or later. Praying for all those longevity benefits for 20-25 years and up - not necessary if he really thought DOH was going to rule in the end...

 

[Metroyet]

Go ahead and visit a bank, wave a pistol around, but don't shoot. You didn't harm anybody. I guess you walk away after you explain to the cops you didn't hurt anyone............Seriously, where do you get these strange ideas?

Did you remember to bookmark the page where I explicitly told you NOTHING was going to happen to any AOL folks? I hope so....please review.

 

[Black Swan]

You funny guy!

Name another airline that has a 12-20 and above pay scale?

You obviously are a novice in the airline business. Is that what you think the NAC is asking for? No wonder they only have 8 sections done.

Do try and pay attention. The nac is asking for industry STANDARD. The industry standard is not 12- 20 and above longevity scales. Ask Glass if you can borrow a dollar so you can buy a clue.

Name another one that has that scale? There is always a first! And you just might be part of it! You really show your inexperience Clear. Are you going to tell us that Glass hasn't taken anyone to the wall when given the chance? Who knows what events will transpire to enable him? Who knows when the boys go in the room for the last time, and come out with a really decent offer that "rewards the sacrifices of those who saved the airline" that what you thought they were coming out with, just wasn't what you thought going in? Personally? I like the looks of what I just posted, and even if it lasts just 10 yrs or so, who really cares? After all, what goes around, comes around! Jerry, are you reading? You honestly are pretty scary yourself with that naive demanor you have. After the lack of pay parity you helped with, and I honestly don't care to hear the reasoning of Microyet ,Nic4 or Shinygreen or Golfer or Bongboy.....if you are low tenure, you are going to be back burnered in any considerations going forward. It is that simple. All of those sections could be re-written over a couple pots of coffee or MAY HAVE ALREADY been presented by Glass. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Take a good look at LOA 93. Any person with any sense knew that intricate little deal was prepared long, long before its debut.Probably with the aid of a bunch of the ALPA local givers. One can only imagine the scenario Glass has already aired with your pal Doug. Especially seeing the divide here. Either way, it does not look good for anybody with any time to spend here for a very long time. That, you will find out.

 

[Black Swan]

Sounds like B.S. is starting to realize that the Nic is coming sooner or later. Praying for all those longevity benefits for 20-25 years and up - not necessary if he really thought DOH was going to rule in the end...

Take another hit on that bong. Did the German Shepherds bark when the DEA coptors come low? You and the west pilots are so out of touch with that Nic. I am not even going to argue with you, you are that long gone, and out of touch. Don't forget to put some more trash in the barrel, the fire is getting low......

 

[luvthe9]

Did you remember to bookmark the page where I explicitly told you NOTHING was going to happen to any AOL folks? I hope so....please review.

Oh yes, we have it. Time Metro, Time......

 

[Metroyet]

Either way, it does not look good for anybody with any time to spend here for a very long time. That, you will find out.

Don't you ever get tired of issuing meaningless threats? You have been so pathetically wrong about all of them one would think a sane person would stop. You do realize you look like an ever increasing FOOL with each toothless threat right?

 

[Metroyet]

Oh yes, we have it. Time Metro, Time......

Uh huh. Right. You realize that Frivolous lawsuits filed by cowardly scabs doesn't count right? Ready yourselves for another humiliating court room adventure.

 

[cleardirect]

Oh yes, we have it. Time Metro, Time......

So Luv. When do the jail terms start?

Going to admit you were wrong about that?

It went from federal crimes to mis-use in 6 six short weeks.