US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dariencc]

Well the media is starting to pick up the safety noise from the East.

A "safety campaign" where you actually question the safety of the airline you work for. That's just brilliant. I wonder why no other pilot groups have done this?

But there are some significant differences. ALPA did not target corporate officers in such a public and aggressive manner, publicly ridiculing Paul Morrell and calling for his termination is a case in point. Raising concern within the public realm about the safety of our operation, is this really necassary?
Just sayin.

You guys are simply ignorant of Alpa history if you believe this.

 

[Piedmont1984]

You guys are simply ignorant of Alpa history if you believe this.

dariencc

Maybe I am, so give me a brief history lesson.

crazy

I get it, you don't like fence sitters. I don't much care for Kool Aid drinkers. If you're not on or near the fence, chances are you're drinking someone's Kool Aid, east or west.

Here's another thing you should consider. It's starting to get crowded on this here fence.

 

[cleardirect]

You guys are simply ignorant of Alpa history if you believe this.

Are you saying that if ALPA did it, it is a good or bad thing? The right or wrong thing to do?

The east tells us that anything and everything that ALPA did was wrong and bad. So if usapa is doing what ALPA did does that make usapa wrong and bad?

 

[Metroyet]

US Airway’s Pilots Sign 3 Year Accord

By The Captain, Staff Reporter, SafetyFirst online



Phoenix, AZ June 26th, 2011



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The Captain

SCAB PORN!!!

 

[cleardirect]

US Airway’s Pilots Sign 3 Year Accord

By The Captain, Staff Reporter, SafetyFirst online



Phoenix, AZ June 26th, 2011



Yesterday, US Airway’s and the US Airline Pilots Association announced that they had reached a new 3 year collective bargaining agreement covering the approximately 5,000 pilots of US Airways. In a press release, Mike Cleary, President of the pilots’ union said that “this long overdue agreement will bring the hardworking US Airways pilots up to industry standard with their peers at other carriers. We now look forward to working with management to return our carrier to the top of the industry in on-time and reliability”. US Airways pilots have long complained that their management has taken advantage of them for years, keeping them at substandard wages and work rules compared to their peers at other carriers as a result of their bankruptcy filings that ended over 6 years ago. The new agreement will end what they have dubbed “bankruptcy wages and work rules” assuming that it is ratified by the union’s membership as expected.



The announcement of an agreement seemingly came overnight, after literally years of negotiations that both parties had described as “non-productive” at best with each side accusing the other of being the road-block to a final agreement. In recent weeks, the frustration felt by the pilots over the slow pace of negotiations appears to have negatively affected the daily operations of the carrier to the point where passengers are “booking away” from the airline potentially costing the carrier hundreds of millions in future revenue. After a stellar performance in 2010 and again in the first half of 2011, when US Airway’s led the industry in on-time and completion factor the carrier recently plummeted to dead-last in on-time, flight completions and customer complaints. Last week US Airways emailed a letter to its frequent flyers apologizing for its recent poor performance while promising to fix the problems in the coming weeks. Whatever the cause of the operational melt-down, industry insiders say now that an agreement has been signed they expect that US Airways will again soon lead the industry in several performance related categories such as on-time. This can’t come soon enough for the carrier who has recently been hit with sky high fuel prices and can ill-afford a continuing significant drop in revenue as well.



The agreement still must pass a membership ratification vote by the rank and file that will occur in mid July, but off the record comments by members of US Airways management as well as union insiders suggests the vote is more of a formality at this point. The tentative agreement was recommended for ratification by the pilots’ union Board of Pilot Representatives by a vote of 9-2. The 2 dissenting votes were cast by former America West pilots who now serve on the pilots governing Board and voted against ratification in protest of the inclusion in the agreement of a seniority list that recognizes a pilots years of service with the company and has been a source of litigation by a minority group of former America West pilots. The two dissenting votes are considered to be inconsequential to the outcome of the ratification process.



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The Captain

Crack must be getting cheap on the east coast.

You really think usapa will close a contract in 6 weeks? Seriously! The only offer the company has is the Kirby. You guys now willing to sell your seniority for the Kirby?

Sounds to me like unprofessional behavior and extortion to me. That the operation would tank and the only way it would be recover would be for the company to pay "protection" money.

A vote that is more than a formality would imply that more than 50%+1 would vote for it. Are you saying that east guys will vote for anything put in front of them? Or the company came up with so much money, og never mind we know that is not going to happen.

Lastly it helps to get your facts straight. There are 3 west reps not 2. Maybe you think that a west rep would vote for a T/A that does not have the Nicolau included. You would be wrong. But thanks for stating the obvious.The west pilots are not represented by usapa fairly.

Keep dreaming your little dream.

Care to make a little wager? This time next year without a merger we will still not have a contract and you will still be on LOA 93 wages.

 

[Black Swan]

Hey Basicly Stupid,

Since DOH is such a sure thing (according to you) and the West spinoff is right around the corner (according to you), why would Glass have to also "top load" a contract offer to get it to pass with the celebrating easties chanting "ding dong, the west is gone"? Wouldn't that leave those junior '99 and later hires - you know, the people you all claim to care about so much - out in the cold? Heck, I'd give 10-1 odds that the Kirby would pass if DOH was in it and the west was gone.

That's what happens when you engage your mouth (or keyboard) without engaging your brain (or is it on extended vacation) - nonsense that doesn't meet the smell test, nevermind making any (as in none, nada, zip) logical sense.

Jim

Before you start calling me BASICLY STUPID, please start with spelling BASICALLY correctly. 😀

 

[luvthe9]

Before you start calling me BASICLY STUPID, please start with spelling BASICALLY correctly. 😀

Must have been drinking some of that moonshine out back of the trailer!!! He's having a breakdown of some sort. Go easy on the old one.

 

[BoeingBoy]

They say that Einstein was absent minded, forgetting minor things all the time. You don't have to be stupid to make a typo here and there or mispell a word now and then.

But to think Glass would feel the need to offer one dime more than necessary to get a tentative to pass if it had DOH in it and the west was split off takes a special kind of stupid...

Maybe you and Luv have been behind the double-wide swilling the cheap hooch too much... 😛

Jim

 

[crazystnic]

Before you start calling me BASICLY STUPID, please start with spelling BASICALLY correctly. 😀

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How Ironic for someone calling you stupid...

but of course Jim has an answer for it... He has an answer for everything!

oh.. but he will tell you in the next post how he is not the expert....

 

[Piedmont1984]

I don't need much. So WTF is wrong with a double-wide?

 

[Piedmont1984]

I think the smartest, shrewdest and ballsiest move that Cleary and Mowrey could make would be to propose amending the C&BL's to remove the DOH clause altogether. If one of USAPA's objectives was to avoid the Nicolau Award, they can feel vindicated that this has been accomplished. The language of the 9th Circuit supports this conclusion. Section 22 must be fair and equitable, and may not benefit the majority at the expense of the minority. But there is no longer a mandate that it be the Nic per se. No need to have DOH memorialized in our Constitution. I don't think we will ever use it in the future and I'm certain of a DFR if we remain on this course.

Cleary should then appoint a committee of east and west pilots to hammer out a Section 22 which garners bipartisan support and diminishes the chances that any future DFR would be successful. In effect, a return to a Wye River set of protocals. Only this time there will be much more urgency and incentive to reach a workable compromise, particularly in the wake of our mutual experience since the last Wye River.

We all know with much more clarity which issues are most important to each side. For the east it's protecting longevity and attrition. For the west, besides longevity as well, issues such as furlough protection and possible PHX downsizing protection must be addressed.

There IS a middle ground.

We need to focus on an industry standard contract and on preparing ourselves for the next merger. We must have a unified pilot group to achieve both.

Just sayin.

 

[Boeing Driver]

SCAB PORN!!!

Lowlife job-stealing scumbag bleating.....

Boeing Driver

 

[BoeingBoy]

I don't need much. So WTF is wrong with a double-wide?

Ask your pal Luv. He's the one that brought it up - "Must have been drinking some of that moonshine out back of the trailer!!! " It does seem that he's familiar with both.

So let me ask you 1984, since it's obvious BS doesn't have a clue. Can you explain why Glass & co will top load the contract with the goodies BS mentioned when it's going to have DOH and the west will have been spun off so east will have won (according to BS)?

Jim

 

[Crzipilot]

I think the smartest, shrewdest and ballsiest move that Cleary and Mowrey could make would be to propose amending the C&BL's to remove the DOH clause altogether. If one of USAPA's objectives was to avoid the Nicolau Award, they can feel vindicated that this has been accomplished. The language of the 9th Circuit supports this conclusion. Section 22 must be fair and equitable, and may not benefit the majority at the expense of the minority. But there is no longer a mandate that it be the Nic per se. No need to have DOH memorialized in our Constitution. I don't think we will ever use it in the future and I'm certain of a DFR if we remain on this course.

Cleary should then appoint a committee of east and west pilots to hammer out a Section 22 which garners bipartisan support and diminishes the chances that any future DFR would be successful. In effect, a return to a Wye River set of protocals. Only this time there will be much more urgency and incentive to reach a workable compromise, particularly in the wake of our mutual experience since the last Wye River.

We all know with much more clarity which issues are most important to each side. For the east it's protecting longevity and attrition. For the west, besides longevity as well, issues such as furlough protection and possible PHX downsizing protection must be addressed.

There IS a middle ground.

We need to focus on an industry standard contract and on preparing ourselves for the next merger. We must have a unified pilot group to achieve both.

Just sayin.

Piedmont,

That all sounds good, but as the west has continued for a long time. There is not anyone left to negotiate on their side. You see we filed for single carrier and now we are represented by one entity. So there isn't anyone to sit on the west side etc. Now what no one on the west side has realized or commented on, is, IF there is something such as you propose come upon, it would simply take those that filed DFRI to NOT file DFRII, and voila, section 22 would be done. Of course the problem with this is those on the west that continue to pontificate, THE NIC OR NOTHING. So there ya have it. Back to square one....

 

[Piedmont1984]

Piedmont,

That all sounds good, but as the west has continued for a long time. There is not anyone left to negotiate on their side. You see we filed for single carrier and now we are represented by one entity. So there isn't anyone to sit on the west side etc. Now what no one on the west side has realized or commented on, is, IF there is something such as you propose come upon, it would simply take those that filed DFRI to NOT file DFRII, and voila, section 22 would be done. Of course the problem with this is those on the west that continue to pontificate, THE NIC OR NOTHING. So there ya have it. Back to square one....

If Mike or Randy called Eric or David and said "Enough of this ####, let's get it done", I'll bet these west reps and AOL leaders would step up.

The Nic-or-nothing dead enders are like the DOH-or-nothing dead enders.

Circumnavigate.