US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

Are you (and Nos) really this ignorant that the obvious must be spelled out? If AWA put their own airplane in Sydney to fly during the Ansett strike, that is not scabbing. The pilots of AWA were not on strike and those pilots were flying their own airplanes. The scabs that turned a wheel for Spirit during a legal strike are most certainly scabs. Most airlines have agreements with management that pilots can choose not to fly the struck work of another airline. But doing so is NOT considered scabbing by ANY union. Educate yourself and try again.

You need "educate yourself"........google Spirit Airlines Scabs...........I guess those Falcon Air Pilot's were NOT scabbing for Spirit since they used a Falcon Air MD-83 to fly a Spirit Air charter flight, according to the Gospel of 767jetz........LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

How things going with the CAL merger? You don't have to answer, I already have it from UAL Jumpseaters........LMAO!!!!!

 

[jetjok1]

I believe that safety is sacred and not a negotiating tactic. If that makes me a lowlife in your eyes then so be it.

Sorry to disappoint you. But I don't get it at all. I just think it it is wrong.

I am astounded and sickened by this latest tactic. I really can't believe any professional pilot would think this is a good idea. Are there no limits?

I continue to be embarrassed to be called a US Airways pilot.

Welcome to the club.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Many labor groups during periods of protracted negotiations have resorted to "work to rule" tactics to one extent or another. And work to rule almost always invokes safety as a primary rationale. ALPA was doing the same thing on this property prior to the change in union representation. The steady communiques that fell under the title of W.A.R. items were very similar to USAPA's safety and operational updates today.

But there are some significant differences. ALPA did not target corporate officers in such a public and aggressive manner, publicly ridiculing Paul Morrell and calling for his termination is a case in point. Raising concern within the public realm about the safety of our operation, is this really necassary? Is it accurate? The professional and experienced flight crews on this property see to it that our operation is eminently safe. Any suggestion to the contrary is a disservice to them. This tactic is being pursued while the company achieves high scores on their safety audit as well as its participation in the SMS program - a significant safety achievment. Consequently, the public sees an incongruent picture.

A few more examples. Writing up discrepancies when and where they occur should be the norm. This is something the company and the FAA would not question. Exposure to aerosylized oil fumes, or TCP's, is a bona fide safety issue which deserves the attention it is getting. OTOH, L1 door closure should be evaluated by the captain on a case by case basis. Lets just say those of us who have had the "pleasure" of operating in and out of PHL in years past have spent long periods of time while coming or going with doors closed, well within the gate ramp area, surrounded by equipment and personnel, waiting....and waiting... for a push back crew, a jetway driver, a marshaller, or a clearance to push due to taxiway congestion.

I am fully committed to supporting a safety culture at all times. I have lost track of the times I have sacrificed on time performance in the interest of safety. But - do you want to keep your pilots in the green and reduce their stress? Urging them to pick a fight at every single opportunity and in every imaginable circumstance is not the way to do it.

USAPA is treading a fine line here. A loud voice can become shrill and ultimately ineffectual when over used.

Just sayin.

 

[cleardirect]

Now the latest is the company may start preceeding against AOL to try to recoup the cost of lifelock for the east pilots, let's hope these 3 are not only fired but do some time in jail time. What a group of idiots. Please up those donations your going to need them.

March 26, 2011 - 08:51 AM
I don't mind getting the gear for my f/os, sorry son unless you have over 30+ years you'll be doing my walk arounds if you don't wind up wearing one of those pink jumpsuits complements of my favorite sheriff Joe Arpaio. I think anybody on the AOL llc. is going to make someone a fine wife in jail. You guys continue to crack me up.

March 31, 2011 3:28 pm.
Now the chief pilots office is staying there will be jail time coming for the guys. Joe is waiting!!!

April 9, 2011 7:40 pm.
Nothing to do with lies the damage has already been done, it's so much fun the watch Tempe and the boys try to do damage control. Hey, I bet the next town hall meeting will be very good!!! I might even have to watch that one. You guys really stepped on yout winky this time.

April 10, 2011 8:03 am.
Trader, I think this is going to go alot higher than the pilots, I'm starting to think they were just the fall guys. Do you have any problem if management goes to jail or should everyone be allowed to just to want they want without any recourse?

You talked a lot of trash LUV. We are now the middle of May and no one has gone to jail yet. No one has been charged yet. Did you get your last mailer from Leonidas? The just keep coming don’t they? Your prognostication is not very accurate it would seem. BTW those guys are enjoying their paid time off.

In predictable fashion usapa overstated their position, AGAIN. Usapa came out called people criminals, thieves, removed committee members made all kinds of statements without saying “alleged”.

Usapa screamed about getting free life lock. But that was not good enough you guys wanted it for life. Then it was you wanted for your wife. Usapa finally did 5 minutes worth of research and found out they jumped the gun and life lock was no good. So after screaming like a little girl for something now you don’t want it. Now 6 weeks later nothing has happened. No warrants, subpoenas, no arrests have you figured out that NOTHING happened. That usapa tried to manufacture leverage where none existed and the blind followers predictably bought the it hook, line and sinker.
But where are we today?

Update on Disclosure of Pilots' Personal Data

As of May 10, 2011, the confidential East pilots' data disclosure and abuse remains an open issue of vital concern to USAPA.

To date the Company has failed to respond to material concerns long since raised by the Association. The use and mis-use by Leonidas, LLC of the disclosed data has not abated, and there are increasing reports by individual pilots that they may be in jeopardy of identity theft or fraud.

In response, USAPA has made reports of potentially unlawful acts to federal, state and local law enforcement agencies in several jurisdictions. USAPA has continued the collection of evidence and is cooperating with ongoing investigations by law enforcement authorities, although we are limited by what can be reported to you in the area at this time. In addition, USAPA is pursuing with due diligence the potential for civil litigation as recently authorized by the BPR.

In the meantime, all members are highly encouraged to take active steps on your own to vigilantly monitor your identity, accounts, credit and personal information. You should immediately report any loss, suspicious activity, reports of attempts of theft (for example, as reported by your credit card companies) to law enforcement authorities in your community. Individual members who have experienced loss, attempted loss, or might have but are unsure, should contact the USAPA with the details.

USAPA's efforts to protect you and your families will become apparent shortly.

Quite a change. Long way from where usapa started. Now it is not a federal crime stolen data but a mis-use of disclosed data.Potentially unlawful acts. A couple weeks ago usapa said that it was for sure illegal. They even told the public that US Airways could not be trusted with their credit card data. It seems that the feds don’t care, that is why usapa had to go to the states. The states don’t care so they had to go the local law enforcement. They don’t care either. I love the part in the update about even if you are unsure about your information contact usapa. Talk about ginning up complaints.

They have to include the threat of civil litigation don’t they. Well boys bring it on. File it! What are you waiting for? Luv said they were going to jail. Usapa said they were criminals. Once again usapa goes off half-cocked and turns out to be wrong and impotent AGAIN.

"Efforts to protect you and your family will become apparent shortly"

Really. Shortly? The list was "disclosed" Sept 2009. Do any of you consider that shortly? Did usapa just admit that they have done nothing and have not protected you so far. That very soon they are going to start protecting you?

But you guys keep following Cleary and the rest. Someday you are going to realize they are not leading anywhere but down the wrong road.
So LUV, care to correct any statements or admit that you and usapa were wrong? Or will you wait for usapa’s law suit to be dismissed probably with prejudice?

 

[cleardirect]

Many labor groups during periods of protracted negotiations have resorted to "work to rule" tactics to one extent or another. And work to rule almost always invokes safety as a primary rationale. ALPA was doing the same thing on this property prior to the change in union representation. The steady communiques that fell under the title of W.A.R. items were very similar to USAPA's safety and operational updates today.

But there are some significant differences. ALPA did not target corporate officers in such a public and aggressive manner, publicly ridiculing Paul Morrell and calling for his termination is a case in point. Raising concern within the public realm about the safety of our operation, is this really necassary? Is it accurate? The professional and experienced flight crews on this property see to it that our operation is eminently safe. Any suggestion to the contrary is a disservice to them. This tactic is being pursued while the company achieves high scores on their safety audit as well as its participation in the SMS program - a significant safety achievment. Consequently, the public sees an incongruent picture.

A few more examples. Writing up discrepancies when and where they occur should be the norm. This is something the company and the FAA would not question. Exposure to aerosylized oil fumes, or TCP's, is a bona fide safety issue which deserves the attention it is getting. OTOH, L1 door closure should be evaluated by the captain on a case by case basis. Lets just say those of us who have had the "pleasure" of operating in and out of PHL in years past have spent long periods of time while coming or going with doors closed, well within the gate ramp area, surrounded by equipment and personnel, waiting....and waiting... for a push back crew, a jetway driver, a marshaller, or a clearance to push due to taxiway congestion.

I am fully committed to supporting a safety culture at all times. I have lost track of the times I have sacrificed on time performance in the interest of safety. But - do you want to keep your pilots in the green and reduce their stress? Urging them to pick a fight at every single opportunity and in every imaginable circumstance is not the way to do it.

USAPA is treading a fine line here. A loud voice can become shrill and ultimately ineffectual when over used.

Just sayin.

Very well said. 100% agreed.

 

[Sadstateofaffairs]

Many labor groups during periods of protracted negotiations have resorted to "work to rule" tactics to one extent or another. And work to rule almost always invokes safety as a primary rationale. ALPA was doing the same thing on this property prior to the change in union representation. The steady communiques that fell under the title of W.A.R. items were very similar to USAPA's safety and operational updates today.

But there are some significant differences. ALPA did not target corporate officers in such a public and aggressive manner, publicly ridiculing Paul Morrell and calling for his termination is a case in point. Raising concern within the public realm about the safety of our operation, is this really necassary? Is it accurate? The professional and experienced flight crews on this property see to it that our operation is eminently safe. Any suggestion to the contrary is a disservice to them. This tactic is being pursued while the company achieves high scores on their safety audit as well as its participation in the SMS program - a significant safety achievment. Consequently, the public sees an incongruent picture.

A few more examples. Writing up discrepancies when and where they occur should be the norm. This is something the company and the FAA would not question. Exposure to aerosylized oil fumes, or TCP's, is a bona fide safety issue which deserves the attention it is getting. OTOH, L1 door closure should be evaluated by the captain on a case by case basis. Lets just say those of us who have had the "pleasure" of operating in and out of PHL in years past have spent long periods of time while coming or going with doors closed, well within the gate ramp area, surrounded by equipment and personnel, waiting....and waiting... for a push back crew, a jetway driver, a marshaller, or a clearance to push due to taxiway congestion.

I am fully committed to supporting a safety culture at all times. I have lost track of the times I have sacrificed on time performance in the interest of safety. But - do you want to keep your pilots in the green and reduce their stress? Urging them to pick a fight at every single opportunity and in every imaginable circumstance is not the way to do it.

USAPA is treading a fine line here. A loud voice can become shrill and ultimately ineffectual when over used.

Just sayin.

Could not have said it better myself. USAPA is getting very close to stepping over the line (if they haven't all ready).

Sad

 

[nycbusdriver]

...Just because something has not caused an accident yet does not mean it is safe.

Amen, Bob.

 

[fodase]

Hey Clowns, how do you like AOL's new brochure? How come you are not all up in arms over receiving it? Oh yeah, weak spineless scab clowns. BTW watched Mowerys video (smart people always try to get all information, not just what their side says) and have to agree with him on the fact the company is just delaying, of course old randy doesn't bother with backing up the rest of his points with "facts" just like in usapa's pamphlet. Did you know that that scab Mowery has never even read the Nic. award?

 

[Beancounter]

Beancounter,


I have never had a problem with an east CP regarding safety. I do however have a problem with those above the level of CP. Several issues come to mind such as multiple mel's, mels that seem to not get fixed until the drop dead date, no IRO on some ta flights, no company recognition of the need for a protected rest time for international pilots who could end up together on a transatlantic flight with no IRO and no rest. No satcom on the 757/767. If I was to go through my logbook I could probably write all day but to me the worst safety problem is the push to be on time. The company puts so much pressure on all the gound personnel that sooner or later it will cause a problem. Many gate agents and ground personnel don't think twice (and some flight attendants) about just barging in the flight deck and blurting out their needs interrupting out cockpit routine. This last item is particularly problematic on a transatlantic flight without an iro to help fend off the disruptions in flight deck routine. Just because something has not caused an accident yet does not mean it is safe.

Regards,


Bob

Thanks, for the detailed response. I wonder if we have Sat com on the west 757s? I've heard some Alaska pilots complain about lack of sat. navigation and communication on the 737s they fly to Hawaii. Take care.

 

[luvn737s]

Usapa screamed about getting free life lock. But that was not good enough you guys wanted it for life. Then it was you wanted for your wife. Usapa finally did 5 minutes worth of research and found out they jumped the gun and life lock was no good. So after screaming like a little girl for something now you don’t want it. Now 6 weeks later nothing has happened. No warrants, subpoenas, no arrests have you figured out that NOTHING happened. That usapa tried to manufacture leverage where none existed and the blind followers predictably bought the it hook, line and sinker.
But where are we today?

Perhaps they were told that no harm exists until someone's "stolen" identity is actually used to harm them.

Could they have been told their complaint wasn't ripe??

 

[N924PS]

Many labor groups during periods of protracted negotiations have resorted to "work to rule" tactics to one extent or another. And work to rule almost always invokes safety as a primary rationale. ALPA was doing the same thing on this property prior to the change in union representation. The steady communiques that fell under the title of W.A.R. items were very similar to USAPA's safety and operational updates today.

But there are some significant differences. ALPA did not target corporate officers in such a public and aggressive manner, publicly ridiculing Paul Morrell and calling for his termination is a case in point. Raising concern within the public realm about the safety of our operation, is this really necassary? Is it accurate? The professional and experienced flight crews on this property see to it that our operation is eminently safe. Any suggestion to the contrary is a disservice to them. This tactic is being pursued while the company achieves high scores on their safety audit as well as its participation in the SMS program - a significant safety achievment. Consequently, the public sees an incongruent picture.

A few more examples. Writing up discrepancies when and where they occur should be the norm. This is something the company and the FAA would not question. Exposure to aerosylized oil fumes, or TCP's, is a bona fide safety issue which deserves the attention it is getting. OTOH, L1 door closure should be evaluated by the captain on a case by case basis. Lets just say those of us who have had the "pleasure" of operating in and out of PHL in years past have spent long periods of time while coming or going with doors closed, well within the gate ramp area, surrounded by equipment and personnel, waiting....and waiting... for a push back crew, a jetway driver, a marshaller, or a clearance to push due to taxiway congestion.

I am fully committed to supporting a safety culture at all times. I have lost track of the times I have sacrificed on time performance in the interest of safety. But - do you want to keep your pilots in the green and reduce their stress? Urging them to pick a fight at every single opportunity and in every imaginable circumstance is not the way to do it.

USAPA is treading a fine line here. A loud voice can become shrill and ultimately ineffectual when over used.

Just sayin.

Your post deserves a resounding "BRAVO ZULU"!

 

[crazystnic]

Your post deserves a resounding "BRAVO ZULU"!

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any fence sitter that is living in a fantasy land that this company cares better snap out of it fast..

we will and must take any and all reasons to win..

Trust me the company has and will... I'm sure they have good union busting people on there side.. I heard Gerry Glass was back.

so snap out of it.. we don't work for a decent good company..

we work for a company that will and has tried to screw us on every occasion.

so there is no middle ground.

 

[aquagreen73s]

"BRAVO ZULU"!

You've gotta be Navy . . .

 

[john john]

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I heard Gerry Glass was back.

Yep! he was introduced by Doug Parker at the Labor Committee Meeting of The Board Of Directors

 

[CactusPilot1]

Safety or Politcs?

Mr. President,

At the April 12, 2011 BPR meeting a resolution was passed unanimously with a straightforward and narrow mandate. That mandate was to petition the US Airways Board of Directors to terminate the VP of safety. A letter was sent to Doug Parker and the US Airways Board on April 13, 2011. The exact language of the resolution is included below:


BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that in order to improve the safety culture at US Airways for the benefit of our pilots, our customers, and all employees that the USAPA Board of Representatives hereby directs the President, in conjunction with the Safety Committee, to petition the US Airways Board of Directors to call for the immediate removal of the VP of Safety and Regulatory Compliance, Paul Morell, from his assigned duties.


That letter, which was sent to Mr. Parker and the Board, was the extent of the limited resolution that the PHX representatives voted to approve. However, USAPA has published a press release, appeared on a radio program in PHX, and caused articles to be published on this subject. The USAPA Board has not been involved with the creation of, or informed of the content of the information now being broadly disseminated by the union. Furthermore, the Board has not been afforded any opportunity to approve of the escalation of this issue. This publicity campaign exceeds the scope of the resolution that this board voted on and passed.

In our opinion, any further press releases or actions concerning the Safety Culture Survey or termination of the VP of Safety requires another meeting, discussion, and vote. As such, and due to the limited nature of the original resolution as passed, we are withdrawing our support from any further escalation of these issues until we have an opportunity, along with the rest of the board, to consider what additional steps may be taken by USAPA.

Furthermore, we will not support any additional action until the representatives have had a chance to confer with the pilots of our base and receive a full briefing about further plans, including how a Public Relation firm may be (or is being) used, as well as the proposed messages. We believe that this effort to have the VP of safety and Compliance terminated has moved from the Safety arena into the political area and expanded well beyond the scope or intent of the resolution. The PHX representatives will not be drug across that bright and well respected safety line.


Sincerely,

David Braid
Eric Ferguson
Roger Velez
Pat O’Neill DRR for Eric Ferguson