US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Yo Nic, you guys CHOSE not to particapate in the growth, you were all led down the wrong road by Ferguson's promise of jumping ahead of all of us, it's kind of funny alot of westies realize now they were screwed over by AOL What's even better your furloughed guys that come over here have nothing good to say about AOL or AWA. These guys will be right seat in a wideboby long before the rest of you. You see where greed gets you!!!

Yo Luv,

I thought you were one of those real senior pilots not effected by the Nic. (east way of saying handed lottery ticket by Nic)

So, what are you doing flying with 8 most junior pilots on the east?

You are either a liar, a scab....wait a minute..you are obviously both.

 

[nic4us]

sorry, your response does not deserve a reply...
the pressure is getting to you, obvious by your responses.
enjoy the stagnation...

Well scab, your non-answere, is the answere.

You see no conflict of interest in usapa unilaterally re-arranging the seniority list to suit its purpose. Further, you fail to answere, due to your own conflict of interest, as usapa is supplying you with a direct benefit at the West expense.

enjoy the imminent decay usapa has brought upon your pilot group.

 

[nic4us]

Imagine putting Nic4Us (A furloughed West pilot).

Well look what we have here, another scab, fabricating lies to justify his desire to steal another's job.

 

[nic4us]

You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

How do you do it? I mean seriously, walking around with your head up your ass?

I guess you took lessons from the little lawyer.

 

[A320 Driver]

Actually Nic is shown to be right - the East pilots fare far better with the merger than without, just as he said. So to balance the equities, he gave the West pilots something - relative position by equip/seat.

Jim

Considering that a large percentage of West flying now exists courtesy of the East operation, how would the West have faired absent the merger? I think NIC was wrong declaring basically that the East had no value. The proof is in the numbers... TODAY'S numbers. Not 5 years ago.

That is MY opinion...

Driver B)

 

[nevergiveup]

You are correct beancounter. No West pilot was furloughed at the time of the merger. (Nic4us was a lineholding A320 capt long prior to the merger, still is by the way).

The scabs are simply throwing out nonsensical bs to deflect attention from their intent of job theft.

So years of service have no meaning to the west.

 

[crazystnic]

Actually Nic is shown to be right - the East pilots fare far better with the merger than without, just as he said. So to balance the equities, he gave the West pilots something - relative position by equip/seat.

Jim

actually for someone who chastises the EAST for stating their opinion you sure sound like you know it all.

IMHO... and many of the EAST ... NIC got it very very wrong...

sorry MR. Know it all

 

[cleardirect]

So years of service have no meaning to the west.

The west did not design the list. A neutral arbitrator did. Talk to him.


Beside furloughed is furloughed. It does not matter how many years of service it takes to get furloughed.

I guess it has no meaning to east pilots either. DOH places east pilots senior to west pilots with more years in service. But you must think that is OK if it advantages the east.

 

[crazystnic]

FYI on the 737 Fleet from the school house.

EAST 47 737's as of NOW

2012 will have 33 737's

2013 will have 17 737's

2014 AUG will have 0 737's

WEST.

all 10 737's gone by end of this year.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Considering that a large percentage of West flying now exists courtesy of the East operation, how would the West have faired absent the merger? I think NIC was wrong declaring basically that the East had no value. The proof is in the numbers... TODAY'S numbers. Not 5 years ago.

That is MY opinion...

Driver B)

It may be your opinion, but it's inaccurate to claim that NIC basically declared that the east had no value. He protected the top 517 east WB pilots and then used a ratio that yields 2 out of every 3 seniority slots in favor of the east from the 518th position all the way down to the last active pilot on both east and west lists. If he thought the west pilots brought more value to the merger than the east, it sure doesn't appear to be reflected in the final award. That's the most perplexing aspect of this dispute. NIC certainly didn’t give the east what they asked for, but they came out of the arbitration with a seniority list imbalanced in east's favor and yet it is the east who is complaining about the result. Take a step back and look at the situation objectively and you will have a hard time justifying your comment that NIC somehow unduly harmed the east pilots. He followed the SLI principles and developed a list that protected active pilots’ seats at the PID which was of paramount importance to any fair and equitable process. If he didn't do this, then the list could have been overturned for not the board not following the merger guidelines. The NIC has never been challenged because it meets the pre-determined criteria and is therefore above legal reproach.

 

[nevergiveup]

The west did not design the list. A neutral arbitrator did. Talk to him.


Beside furloughed is furloughed. It does not matter how many years of service it takes to get furloughed.

I guess it has no meaning to east pilots either. DOH places east pilots senior to west pilots with more years in service. But you must think that is OK if it advantages the east.

So would you be okay with a years of service list?

 

[CactusPilot1]

I just got the following message from Maestro:

"NGS 2 Distance Learning Module is due on May 25th. PLZ complete if you have not done so. There are 862 incompletes!!!"

Why would I get this message? I already completed mine. It's the 9th and they seem a bit stressed out.

I wonder why?

Hmmm.... :unsure:

 

[USA320Pilot]

Digging Deeper into Alleged Safety Issues. USAPA Misrepresents the Truth, Again.

What is the primary obstacle to a Joint Contract? Hello USAPA, a Joint contract means East and West, one contract, at the same time. Love those pretty lanyards!

See Story

 

[BoeingBoy]

The proof is in the numbers... TODAY'S numbers. Not 5 years ago.

Which can't be separated from the merger. Everyone has their opinion of what would have happened to each side without a merger, but nobody can offer proof of what would have happened without a merger. The merger has been good for the East, of that there is no doubt - all the furloughee back, new hires, upward movement. The merger has been bad for the West, again with no doubt - furloughs, backward movement. So Nic was right - the East stood to gain the most. Nic awarded relative position by equip/seat to offset the huge gain the East would have. Yet that's not enough for the East - they want all the marbles. East and West attrition. East and West captain jobs. And West to bear any furloughs.

Jim

 

[CactusPilot1]

A report from the leasure market....

Cargo, passenger counts at Phoenix Sky Harbor getting back to pre-recession levels

Phoenix Business Journal - by Mike Sunnucks
Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 12:49pm MST - Last Modified: Friday, May 6, 2011

Cargo loads and passenger counts at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport are beginning to return to pre-recession levels. Passenger and cargo traffic at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport were up in March compared to last year and showing indications they are getting back toward pre-recession levels.

More 3.7 million passengers used Sky Harbor in March, according to new numbers released today by the Phoenix Aviation Department.

That’s up from 3.6 million passengers in 2010. Sky Harbor saw 3.6 million passengers in 2009 and 3.9 million passengers both in 2008 and 2007.

For the year so far, there have been just under 10 million passengers at the Phoenix airport. That’s up 4.4 percent from last year’s total for the first quarter (9.5 million).

On the cargo front, 28,300 tons of freight and mail went through Sky Harbor in March. That is up 16 percent from last March’s 24,400 tons. It’s also back to 2006 levels.

Cargo totals for March 2011 also are above the cargo numbers for the same month in 2007, 2008 and 2009. In March 2006, cargo shipments in and out of Phoenix came in at 28,900 tons.

March passenger counts
2011: 3.7M

2010: 3.6M

2009: 3.5M

2008: 3.9M

2007: 3.9M

2006: 3.8M

March cargo flows (in tons)
2011: 28,300

2010: 24,400

2009: 19,500

2008: 23,500

2007: 17,800

2006: 28,900


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