US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Since no east pilot has commented on Mark Burman being removed from the security comm i'll take that to mean your ok with it. Another west pilot kicked off a non politcal comm. Usapa is freaking shamefull.

He is part and parcel of the same group that stole the identity information. Of course he had to go. It would be like letting Bin Laden work for the CIA. Believe me, we are more than fine with him going away.

 

[Eastisleast]

He is part and parcel of the same group that stole the identity information. Of course he had to go. It would be like letting Bin Laden work for the CIA. Believe me, we are more than fine with him going away.

Nobody "stole" anything. He was an Addington plantiff..so what! He is a member in good standing and the security comm dosent hold your master files for west domination anyway. Cleary is so paranoid about AOL he won't even let a police officer talk to your onion about identity theft. Freaking shamefull!!

 

[luvthe9]

Here comes another big rant by Metroyet. Talk about losing it!

 

[crazystnic]

Since no east pilot has commented on Mark Burman being removed from the security comm i'll take that to mean your ok with it. Another west pilot kicked off a non politcal comm. Usapa is freaking shamefull.

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Oh you want a comment.. I'm perfectly fine with any west pilot who has anything to do With AOL not being on a USAPA committe..
clear?

 

[luvthe9]

Notice the "AOL " Dance Troupe in the background, ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIqx5_w-dnk

this is right up your alley Metro!

 

[Metroyet]

He is part and parcel of the same group that stole the identity information. Of course he had to go. It would be like letting Bin Laden work for the CIA. Believe me, we are more than fine with him going away.

Of course you are. You are more than fine with the fact youre captains are paid less than horizon turboprop captains. You have always known you worked for a big commuter, now you get the payslip to prove it. With no end in sight.

 

[Eastisleast]

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Oh you want a comment.. I'm perfectly fine with any west pilot who has anything to do With AOL not being on a USAPA committe..
clear?

Then you must really have a problem with our BPR reps then. Usapa......for the east by the east.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Excerpt from the......

Phoenix Domicile Update

Are PHX Based Pilots really a part of USAPA, OR Just a Revenue Source for the union?
You may have recently seen USAPA's May 3rd BPR Conference Call Update. Have you heard that yet another PHX based pilot has been removed from yet another committee? Former AWA First Officer Mark Burman, an extremely well-qualified, hardworking and dedicated volunteer was removed from the Security Committee this past week. Mark has worked closely with the Security Committee Chairman, Captain Steve Sevier, for well over a year and has done a very fine job. So much so, that at the last BPR meeting Mark, Steve and the PHX Reps had the pleasure of dining together in order to discuss various issues. Suffice it to say that any PHX representative having dinner with any committee chairman is an extremely rare, (as in perhaps, never), and it appeared as if everything was perfectly fine between Steve and Mark on that Monday night.

Mark was scheduled to give the BPR and Officers a presentation on the timely topic of Identity Theft on Tuesday. Mark is especially well-qualified in this area, as he serves as an active Police Officer and has attended classes presented by the PHX Police Department on this subject. ID theft is a topic of interest to all of us especially when ACCUSATIONS of ID theft are being made so publicly by USAPA against several of its members. Mark and Steve worked closely together to develop the presentation, informed the officers, and were put on the agenda for the regular April BPR meeting. USAPA President Mike Cleary was well aware of the subject matter to be briefed by the Security Committee, and who would be involved making the presentation for at least a week prior to the meeting.
Mark traveled all the way from PHX to CLT on Monday in order to give the presentation on Tuesday. Mark patiently sat through the meeting for most of the day on Tuesday, when finally (late in the afternoon) it was time for the Security Committee's hour-long presentation on how best to protect yourself from identity theft. Given the accusation made by USAPA against certain West pilots (and the associated fear-mongering), this was information that we could all put to good use. The extremely important information Mark was to present is also used by the PHX Police Department in their own training. However, in what we can only describe as overly-dramatic, purely-political showmanship, President Mike Cleary stopped the show with a “revelation” and asked Mark if he was an “agent of Leonidas” after Mark's five-minute introduction and about two slides into the presentation. The timing of Mike's “revelation” was rather amazing in light of the fact that, during the Addington trial, Cleary sat in the same courtroom with Mark, saw him testify, and was well aware of Mark’s involvement in the DFR litigation. Since Mark Burman was one of the Addington plaintiffs, Mike Cleary should not have had this late “revelation” that Mark was involved with Leonidas as there should have been no surprise had Mike been paying any attention at all. Mike Cleary was “shocked and outraged” that someone who “stole our information” was now going to give the BPR a presentation on how to protect their Identity.

We ask the question, “why did President Mike Cleary wait until Mark had traveled all the way to CLT and was standing before the BPR to then come to the 'revelation' about who it was that was going to give the BPR and Officers an Identity Theft presentation?” The excuse Mike Cleary gave was that he “only found out an hour prior to the Security Committees presentation.” In the PHX reps view, this is an extremely weak excuse, as this sort of ambush from Mike has been demonstrated time and again and was no surprise to us when it happened. Plus, if Mike Cleary did know for an hour prior why did he allow presentation to even begin.
This is when the attempted “lynching” began, and while the BPR indicated that it wanted to hear the information, it was the presenter with which they had a problem. The BPR then asked the Security Chairman, Steve Sevier, to give the same presentation using the same slides, however, Steve expressed that he had not taken the class Mark had, felt he was not qualified, and said he was not comfortable “taking over” to give the presentation by himself. It was at this point that Captain Sevier made many flattering comments about First Officer Burman as it pertained to his performance on the Security Committee, and stood his ground in defending someone who he clearly believed to be an asset to the union.
In our opinion, it was an act of complete cowardice and political maneuvering by Mike Cleary which then caused the other reps to vote not to hear the prepared presentation from as long as it was going to be given by Addington Plaintiff, Mark Burman. This begs the question as to whether the BPR is really more concerned about sincerely protecting its members, or scoring some personal “political points?” The following day without Mark’s involvement, Steve attempted to present a small portion of the information.

We like Mike, that is because he is begging for DFRII.

Leonidas will be more than happy to invite him back to Arizona.

Maybe he can drop by the PHX crew room and shake a few hands.

Earth to Cleary, there is a PHX domicile.

Just in case you forgot

 

[luvn737s]

He is part and parcel of the same group that stole the identity information. Of course he had to go. It would be like letting Bin Laden work for the CIA. Believe me, we are more than fine with him going away.

So if you are OK with jettisoning due process within USAPA, do you feel it's necessary to have a union that holds the company accountable to due process in pilot discipline? If so, why the double standard? If not, why bother with having a union?

 

[traderjake]

Talk about losing it!

Are you talking about the money we've lost in the last 3 years under USAPA?

 

[767jetz]

So if you are OK with jettisoning due process within USAPA, do you feel it's necessary to have a union that holds the company to due process in pilot discipline? If so, why the double standard? If not, why bother with having a union?

Just when we thought things could not get any more pathetic within the organization that calls itself a union.

Let the card drive begin already! USAPA should be shown the door, and their current and past leadership banned from ever serving in any capacity in any future union on the property. That more east pilots are not speaking out about this behavior is baffling. Perhaps they are but the propaganda machine is keeping it quiet.

 

[nic4us]

we keep our flying for 10 years and you keep yours...

Fair enough, our flying included 144 aircraft, 1884 pilots, a hiring pool that had something like 67 in it awaiting their class dates and 20 something aircraft on order.

The way I see it, according to your plan we would have to let about 800 eastholes go, hire about 800 on the West , take the additional ATA757s, the 190s and 8 330s on the West to make your plan work for the remaining 4 years of your 10 year deal.

Oh, BTW, your plan ain't even close to the scenario the east faces if usapa pulls off an LOA93 miracle.

 

[nic4us]

Because we don't want to fly with you meltdown queens, it is that simple.

Fair enough, we don't really want to fly with usapa scabs.

 

[nic4us]

Since no east pilot has commented on Mark Burman being removed from the security comm i'll take that to mean your ok with it. Another west pilot kicked off a non politcal comm. Usapa is freaking shamefull.

Frankly, all West pilots should resign from any and all usapa positions, with letters highlighting their impediments to participating.

Then all West pilots should take a dues holiday from the scab union, and inform Parker if one West pilot gets fired over a section 29 issue, the West operation stops the same day.

What is he going to do? Sue the union for an illegal job action?

 

[nic4us]

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Oh you want a comment.. I'm perfectly fine with any west pilot who has anything to do With AOL not being on a USAPA committe..
clear?

Well then scab, that would be about 1100+ donors. How about usapa denies them all membership so they don't have to pay the scab union dues?