US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

But it is a simple question. This might be the center of the problem. It is simple.

At the time of the merger AWA had 1853 pilots on property. Zero furloughs.
At the time of the merger AAA had 3176 pilots on the property. 1775 furloughs. 3176 ACTIVE pilots

Dave O'Dell' seniority at the time of the merger was 1853/1853= 100%
Monda's seniority at the time of the merger was 3176/3176=100%
So you see these two had the exact seniority.

Celollo was furloughed at the time meaning that AAA had excess pilots.
Colello's seniority at the time of the merger was 3177/3176= +100%

Varini's seniority at the time of the merger was 4951/3176=155.8%

Using just attrition and stand alone numbers what year would Varini be recalled to AAA? (Assuming AAA stayed in business)

Would someone like to post a graph of Varini's seniority just like EF's graph so we can see how his stand alone is improved? How EF can have a seniority number in excess of 100% using DOH.

You see it is simple if you are honest and answer question truthfully. But I guess trying to hide or avoid facts makes it difficult.


You see I did not say anything about the Nicolau or career expectations or a pilots age. I asked for a starting point and you could not even admit that fact.

NO sir..

EAST Attrition.. even the neutral had heartburn over it...
and even ALPA said the award was "problematic" .

you westies are the only ones who think it's ok to have a lottery ticket..

 

[Metroyet]

Did you not understand your own "message"? You're the one who's message was "I have integrity and am impartial because I am not a pilot on the East or the West."

You're the one who proclaimed to be a zealot without a cause, yet don't have the integrity to prove it. In the words of your fellow "causeless zealot", we want PROOF.

I never claimed "integrity" because I'm not a us air pilot. I also never proclaimed to be a zealot of any kind. My interest in your little economic suicide is of no importance. I couldn't care less what you believe about me. Suffice it to say that I'm extremely well connected with this. I dont owe anybody proof of anything. Feel free to simply hit ignore and I will be gone from your screen. I don't give two sh*** what you do. Honestly.

I'm just the messenger. Your fake union has terminal cancer and it's death is certain. I'd put the percentage of hard core usapa supporters at less than 15% of the pilot group. When Kasher shoves your I'll conceived, disingenuous grievance up your six, you'll see the wheels really start to fall of this idiotic group. Did you read the Phoenix update? Do you think you're ever going to need those 40% of the pilots to ever cooperate with you?

Probably not. Just keep believing your Chief Idiot Mike Cleary. You guys are all powerful, and you have the company over a barrel

enjoy your sophomoric lanyards and your pre-failed attempts at using "safety" to get your demands met. Btw, it was well observed a few years ago that when uscaba ran out of legitimate recourse, they'd play the safety card. Just like O.J. Playing the race card. It speaks volumes as to the desperation and totality of failure that uscaba has become. It's lost on absolutely no one what your idiot scab leadership is really up to.

Perhaps that's why the company is suing you over status quo. More precious dues money into sehams pocket.

Don't forget to hit the ignore button. The truth is too upsetting to your omnipotent world view

 

[BoeingBoy]

you westies are the only ones who think it's ok to have a lottery ticket..

Yeah, you easties don't care about the lottery ticket, you just want the jackpot...

You claim to have only lost 9 months with the arbitrator's award in the Shuttle merger - how much would you have lost if the US pilots had had their way?

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

NO sir..

EAST Attrition.. even the neutral had heartburn over it...
and even ALPA said the award was "problematic" .

you westies are the only ones who think it's ok to have a lottery ticket..

You had better read the award again. The neutral did not have "heartburn" over attrition. The only area he dissented was over the furloughs that had been brought back AFTER the PID.

Who cares what alpa said about the award. They are an evil organization and you guys "kicked them to the curb" right.

You easties are the only ones that think inventing your own seniority list. Inventing your own C&R and trying to impose that on a smaller group is right or fair.

East pilots=SWA "aviation envy"

 

[Phoenix]

I never claimed "integrity" because I'm not a us air pilot.

Of course you didn't. Not being a pilot was a premise to your impartiality. Thank you for making it clear that you are impartially ignoring the 9th and the SCOTUS.

I also never proclaimed to be a zealot of any kind.

Its not too late for an easy win.

Feel free to simply hit ignore and I will be gone from your screen.

Yes, yes... of course you are correct, in the words of Monty Python, it is only a flesh wound.

I don't give two sh*** what you do. Honestly.

Ok. I am relieved. Thank you.

 

[cleardirect]

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your writing is what is laughable.. The SWA pilots have never had to stand up for anything.. Good for them.. They work for a company that makes lots of money... so they don't need a shitty relationship with mgmt.. But you still don't get it... It's Doug Parker's contempt for this work force that has brought on this fight....
If he really gave a #### why wouldn't he say .. you know what boys.. I know we don't have a contract and I know things kind of suck.. but we are going to do 3% raise across the board as a gesture of good will... Know let's get together and fix this...
Instead he just keeps hiding and delaying and building up the anger..

I still predict we will implode within 2 years because all labor groups are being boxed into a corner...
I'm glad you think it's USAPA's fault..

that is the joke ... your reasoning.

You are the clown sir.

You guys are thieves. Plain and simple. We say you have no integrity you put Sully on the stand and he makes up a story about integrity. West pilots call you clowns now you are trying to steal that term. How about you guys think for yourselves and stop stealing our terms.

Your rant is all over the place.

You used to work for a company that made lots of money right. Does making money dictate the type of relationship you have with management? Besides you guys have been fighting with your management for 25-30 years. No one can make you happy. You guys started this fight not Parkers "contempt".

Are you kidding me? Are you so clueless and desperate for cash that you actually think Parker would just hand you 3% because? Because you guys have been so helpful and respectful of Parker and the company. Would you guys be so happy with 3% that your relationship with Parker would improve a lot? No you guys would demand more.

There it is again the meltdown, the burn the place to the ground attitude. The "labor groups are not boxed in. The pilots and the F/A's are not happy about our delayed contracts. Yes it is usapa'a fault enabled by the east pilots.

east pilots= SWA aviation envy.

Quit and go get hired at SWA.

 

[No Land Green]

Quit and go get hired at SWA.

Maybe you should take your own advice above.

 

[crazystnic]

You had better read the award again. The neutral did not have "heartburn" over attrition. The only area he dissented was over the furloughs that had been brought back AFTER the PID.

Who cares what alpa said about the award. They are an evil organization and you guys "kicked them to the curb" right.

You easties are the only ones that think inventing your own seniority list. Inventing your own C&R and trying to impose that on a smaller group is right or fair.

East pilots=SWA "aviation envy"

an answer to once simple question.

we keep our flying for 10 years and you keep yours...

Why do you care how this goes if we remain separate..??

why are you so desperate to have the lists integrated?

 

[Phoenix]

You guys are thieves. Plain and simple. We say you have no integrity you put Sully on the stand and he makes up a story about integrity. West pilots call you clowns now you are trying to steal that term. How about you guys think for yourselves and stop stealing our terms.
...

Ah, the two words, "integrity" and "clowns" belong to the West.

Rest assured, no one is denying that the West pilots have sole ownership and right to claim themselves to be the Integrity Clowns.

 

[No Land Green]

Ah, the two words, "integrity" and "clowns" belong to the West.

Rest assured, no one is denying that the West pilots have sole ownership and right to claim themselves to be the Integrity Clowns.

I think he is "angry"...ooooops, that's one of their words too......LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[luvn737s]

Crazy wrote

But you still don't get it... It's Doug Parker's contempt for this work force that has brought on this fight....
If he really gave a #### why wouldn't he say .. you know what boys.. I know we don't have a contract and I know things kind of suck.. but we are going to do 3% raise across the board as a gesture of good will... Know let's get together and fix this...

and then...

an answer to once simple question.

we keep our flying for 10 years and you keep yours...

Why do you care how this goes if we remain separate..??

why are you so desperate to have the lists integrated?

So it's Doug Parker's responsibility to get us a raise, but Cleary wants to collect 2% of our gross to continue to do nothing?

Are there more of you on the east with such twisted thinking? You should elect Parker as President of USAPA then!

 

[cleardirect]

an answer to once simple question.

we keep our flying for 10 years and you keep yours...

Why do you care how this goes if we remain separate..??

why are you so desperate to have the lists integrated?

Why are you so desperate to remain separate?

usapa and east pilots are winning right? The Nicolau is DOA right.

Why put the company together? Does that really need to be explained to you experienced and aged pilots?

 

[luvthe9]

Why are you so desperate to remain separate?

usapa and east pilots are winning right? The Nicolau is DOA right.

Why put the company together? Does that really need to be explained to you experienced and aged pilots?

Because we don't want to fly with you meltdown queens, it is that simple. What bee got in your bonnets today? You guys are coming unglued. Especially Metro!

 

[luvthe9]

You guys are thieves. Plain and simple. We say you have no integrity you put Sully on the stand and he makes up a story about integrity. West pilots call you clowns now you are trying to steal that term. How about you guys think for yourselves and stop stealing our terms.

Your rant is all over the place.

You used to work for a company that made lots of money right. Does making money dictate the type of relationship you have with management? Besides you guys have been fighting with your management for 25-30 years. No one can make you happy. You guys started this fight not Parkers "contempt".

Are you kidding me? Are you so clueless and desperate for cash that you actually think Parker would just hand you 3% because? Because you guys have been so helpful and respectful of Parker and the company. Would you guys be so happy with 3% that your relationship with Parker would improve a lot? No you guys would demand more.

There it is again the meltdown, the burn the place to the ground attitude. The "labor groups are not boxed in. The pilots and the F/A's are not happy about our delayed contracts. Yes it is usapa'a fault enabled by the east pilots.

east pilots= SWA aviation envy.

Quit and go get hired at SWA.

It is more fun to see you rant and cry Since Daddy 9th took the keys away, the crybabies are having trouble coping these days.....

 

[Eastisleast]

Since no east pilot has commented on Mark Burman being removed from the security comm i'll take that to mean your ok with it. Another west pilot kicked off a non politcal comm. Usapa is freaking shamefull.