US Pilots Labor Discussion

[GorgeousGeorge]

Here we go again, the clowns refuse to admit the airlines merged 6 years ago and act as if AWA still exists to do nothing but shrink. Stupid freakin clowns, showed up in 2005 with 1600 furloughs, ndestroyed the wests careers and their own yet look at it as a victory. Karma is a #### and you eastholes will eventually pay for what you have done.

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[cactusboy53]

Or, you might have spent a lot a money to mail something that if anything, hardened peoples positions by the way in which their data was obtained. The mailing by your union probably countered those claims in a way that resonated with your counterparts. All the while several of your fellow aviators were exposed to administrative action from your company and it exposed the organization you have donated money to with potential financial/legal risk.

Doesn't sound like much of an accomplishment.

George;
That's the beauty of it. The brochure series, while meant to educate & inform those with truth & verifiable facts, really weren't that expensive.

Your name & DOB is on SEVERAL lists (not just the one that you mention, to include the ever-loving Nicolau seniority list). As aviators, we all must keep a first class medical. You may have heard of "Landings". It is one of several free search engines. You can also pay a nominal fee and get the information from many sources. This is how your local ME's send you notification that your medical is due.

I don't know of "several of your fellow aviators" being exposed to administrative leave (must be another USAPA lie). Once again, the financial and legal risk appears to be USAPA's.

Our biggest accomplishment: NO DATE OF HIRE. I think Cleary & Mowrey said it best: " No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts.." (US AIRWAVES June/July 2000).

 

[fodase]

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Well you clowns are dumb and spineless, but at least you make me laugh.

 

[KTM300]

Here we go again, the clowns refuse to admit the airlines merged 6 years ago and act as if AWA still exists to do nothing but shrink. Stupid freakin clowns, showed up in 2005 with 1600 furloughs, ndestroyed the wests careers and their own yet look at it as a victory. Karma is a #### and you eastholes will eventually pay for what you have done.

Let me see if I understand you....Someone asked about Eric Fur.. I had some info that I passed on. Pretty simple.
You on the other hand, either misinterpret what I posted or just harbor so much anger you simply don't care and then post pure nonsense. Oh...and you love the word clown.

As far as destroying( I think that is what you meant?), the west careers, I was only referencing Eric Fur., who was hired at America West! in 2003. That merger was announced in 2005. One year on probation and one year off probation for Mr. Furgeson, doesn't define a career and as far as Mr. Furs career is concerned, I pointed out that with the merger, Nic or DOH, his career is far brighter now.

 

[fodase]

Nic or DOH, his career is far brighter now.

You clowns are truly delusional. How do you arrive at the fact Eric retires at 45% Awa stand
Alone? Also what job did the us 16 year guy bring to the merger? Again u r such lying spineless clowns that couldn't tell the truth if you tried. The usapa pamphlet is the perfect example, it doesn't counter the leonidas info with a single fact, instead they pull a chart out that compares a pilots age instead of real seniority. Clowns

 

[KTM300]

Here we go again, the clowns refuse to admit the airlines merged 6 years ago and act as if AWA still exists to do nothing but shrink. Stupid freakin clowns, showed up in 2005 with 1600 furloughs, ndestroyed the wests careers and their own yet look at it as a victory. Karma is a #### and you eastholes will eventually pay for what you have done.

Incidently, I had a west pilot on my jumpseat the other day. We all remained cordial and agreed to agree and disagree on different issues without any fists flying. One thing that puzzled me was his insistence that we screwed up his upgrade to capt which he claimed he was 2 months away from. I checked and found he was around 1360 on a list of about 1884. He was hired in feb. 2000, I believe. Now if at the time of the merger, the junior capt was 1049 with approx 64 f/o that passed on upgrade, his claim of upgrade is much exaggerated.

I get the impression from your posts, you are alot like the guy I had in the jumpseat. Could I be wrong?

 

[Phoenix]

Well you clowns are dumb and spineless, ....

Imagine that. Barnum and Bailey hires based on red noses, oversize shoes, and a dramatic smile or frown. No wonder Poug Darker is in a world of hurt. He hired a bunch of clowns that couldn't get a job anywhere else.

 

[fodase]

I get the impression from your posts, you are alot like the guy I had in the jumpseat. Could I be wrong?

Typical Clown, can't answer or back up your facts so you change the subject. Btw 178 fo's were bypassing the captain seat date of merge, 1 airbus a month was being delivered fir the next 20 mos., the most junior captain was a 99 hire, the difference between 99-03 hire dates are only 200 pilots because of 911. Don't let the truth get in your way.

 

[KTM300]

Typical Clown, can't answer or back up your facts so you change the subject. Btw 178 fo's were bypassing the captain seat date of merge, 1 airbus a month was being delivered fir the next 20 mos., the most junior captain was a 99 hire, the difference between 99-03 hire dates are only 200 pilots because of 911. Don't let the truth get in your way.

Your first question was; How do you arrive at the fact Eric retires at 45% Awa stand Alone?

That is not what I said. What I said was, without the merger when EF reached the age of 50, he would be about the 45 percentile.

Your second question; Also what job did the us 16 year guy bring to the merger?

I find it difficult to explain to you what 16 years of experience brings(and might I add it has nothing to do with age as you adlib) only because you seem so closed minded. I will tell you what though, when you have 16 years of experience, I'm confident you will have your answer.

 

[Pi brat]

Typical Clown, can't answer or back up your facts so you change the subject. Btw 178 fo's were bypassing the captain seat date of merge, 1 airbus a month was being delivered fir the next 20 mos., the most junior captain was a 99 hire, the difference between 99-03 hire dates are only 200 pilots because of 911. Don't let the truth get in your way.

Come on. Won't some of you westie help this boy with a graph?

 

[Pi brat]

Oh, I thought you were further behind me than you actually are. Heck, you might even be less than 500 numbers junior to me. My mistake!

As of today not behind you, and from your picture it doesn't look like a place I want to be.

Someday maybe, but not today sweetie.

 

[fodase]

Your first question was; How do you arrive at the fact Eric retires at 45% Awa stand Alone?

That is not what I said. What I said was, without the merger when EF reached the age of 50, he would be about the 45 percentile.

Please RTFQ, how do you figure that without the merger Eric would be at 45 percentile? What numbers are you using?

I find it difficult to explain to you what 16 years of experience brings(and might I add it has nothing to do with age as you adlib) only because you seem so closed minded. I will tell you what though, when you have 16 years of experience, I'm confident you will have your answer.

Again, was the usair pilot with 16 years employed by and flying mainline at usair date of merger? if not, then he/she did not bring a job to the merger.

 

[trevrep]

Happy?

 

[trevrep]

Das Fuhrer

 

[nic4us]

Okay, now I have seen the usapa mailer. Ironically it came today in the mail with a "Safety Binder Updates", which I thought was quite odd because I have no safety binder, and, if I did, after 34 years of flying, the last people I would take "safety" advice from is a bunch of reneging malcontents who think they are in a position of authority, and formerly worked for an airline with the worst safety record of any major in the last 30 years. Quick question, how far down the list from "steal the West's seniority" is safety in the usapa C&BLs these days?

Back to the mailer. Very first page, a chart, three lines plotting the arch enemy EF. Top line in red, EF's normal progression of seniority based on what a neutral third party arbitrator found to be "fair". Second line in green, usapa's proposal, that obviously steals EF's seniority, by over 20% and gradually giving it back to him over a (get this 30 year period) yep they steal it and it takes him 30 years to get back to where he should have been. Third line in yellow, AWA stand alone. This third line is an obvious east mentality arrogant depiction, because we all know that if AWA stood alone, USairways would have failed, and EF's yellow line would be above both the usapa geen line and the Nic red line.

Next topic, Mowery is a complete dipshit, any questions? I won't bother quoting that ignorant scab. The mailer does a fine job of doing that. Which make perfect sense, in a we at usapa are too stupid to realize the position we are in kind of way.

Finally, why did usapa bother mailing this thing to me. It is obviously directed at the east. Stating things like AOL want you to give up your seniority and such. Which BTW is another lie. AOL does not want the east to give up their seniority, AOL wants the east to have their rightful place on the seniority list, and not leapfrog the West in their scab attempt at job theft through stealing our seniority. Further, AOL does not want me to give up my seniority, AOL is protecting me from the usapa scabs who are actively trying to steal my seniority.

Let me spell it out all plain and simple for the east and usapa straight up. The Nic is not going away. To paraphrase the scab mailer, "not only will the Nic prevail, it already has."