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Reporter dives into USAPA's dues collecting and spending compared to other unions. This is a portion of the first article with more to come.

Pilot Unions, Money, and More

When US Airways recently conducted its 2011 Media Day Event, "Unplugged" in
Tempe, the US Airways Pilot Association (USAPA) did not let the opportunity
go by without issuing a press release accusing management of being complicit
in a recent incident in which a former America West (and current US Airways)
pilot reportedly accessed and then downloaded information from a company
database of pilot information.

The pilot(s) involved were sympathetic to Leonidas, a group of former
America West pilots. Leonidas apparently used the mailing addresses included
in the data dump to send out letters last fall promoting their side of the
US Airways West/US Airways East ongoing seniority fight.

This would have been bad enough, but apparently the database had social
security numbers, and other personal information embedded in it as well.
As a result, this incident has now provided USAPA union management (whose
allegiance is firmly rooted in the old US Airways East group) with a pretty
big stick to wave around, and the union leadership has gone so far as to
suggest that the breach was a matter of national security, necessitating an
FBI investigation.

While ordinarily I would have concentrated on the obvious question of what
this means for the future of any meaningful attempts to unite the
dysfunctional pilot union at US Airways -- we know that answer. Nothing
remotely positive.

Or, I might have devoted my attention to the status of the legal fight
between the former America West pilots and the US Airways East pilots, with
both sides now awaiting the determination of an appeal to the 9th Circuit
Court of Appeals. No matter what the decision is, of course, there will be
more legal maneuvering by one side or the other. But, on this occasion my
mind was focused -- as I was sitting in the middle of a financial
presentation -- on revenues and costs.

I wondered, "So how much in legal fees is this latest incident going to cost
USAPA members? How much money did the union take in last year anyway? How
many former America West pilots aren't even paying dues?"

Reflecting on all of this, as I sat in Tempe, and watched US Airways CEO
Doug Parker during a question and answer session try to answer a question
about this issue in 2 minutes or less -- a completely impossible task, given
the long drawn-out ugly story here -- it occurred to me that we know so much
about the airlines and their financial condition, but very little about the
unions that represent the employees who work for the airlines.
So this week we decided it was time to take a little stroll through the
federally-mandated annual reports currently on file for each of the four
major airline pilot unions and see what we could see.

And what we saw will probably keep us busy for a long time. All we did this
week was skim the surface.

For those who would like to follow along, the information this week comes
from the LM-2 reports that each union is required to file with the U.S.
Department of Labor.

For this week, we took the reports from the four largest pilot unions -- Air
Line Pilots Association, Allied Pilots Association, Southwest Airlines Pilot
Association, and the US Airways Pilot Association -- and looked at a couple
of key metrics.

Because I had become transfixed on the subject of legal fees and how much
USAPA has paid out in such fees over the last year, we looked at the line
item called "representational activity". This is where expenses related to
consulting, legal fees, PR firms, etc. are listed. This line item does not
include lobbying or political activity. That is a separate line item that we
will take a look at in the future.

We looked at these numbers in terms of both cost as a percentage of total
receipts and cost per member. A note here. "Total receipts" includes other
items besides dues.

Finally, we took a look at how much was received in dues and agency fees.
Per member. In other words, when you take all the dues that were collected
by a particular union, how much, on average, did each member contribute to
the union's coffers?

In follow-up reports to this one, we'll take a much closer look at some of
those expenses that show up on the representational activities line, and
we'll also look at what percentage each union spends on overhead,
administration, benefits, and political activities.

Yes, this is going to be a gift that keeps on giving.

But for this week -- just a small peek.

First, in terms of sheer revenues, the union groups stacked up thusly from
largest to smallest: ALPA, APA, SWAPA and USAPA.

Here's our teaser question for the week. Which union has more net assets per
member than the others? We'll answer that in our next chapter of "Pilot
Unions, Money and More." After this quarter's earnings releases have been
digested, dissected, and rolled out.

Back to this week.

In this first chart, we see a breakdown of the representational costs, as
reported by each union, as a % of that union's total receipts. To simply
list which union had the highest representational costs would be very
misleading, as ALPA's member base is so much larger that its expenses for
this line item are tremendously greater than the other three combined.
However, when we look at the amounts paid, as a percentage of total
receipts, I think we have an even playing field upon which to make our
evaluations.

As you can see in the chart above, USAPA does indeed spend almost 40%
(38.2%) of all of its receipts on representational activities. A cursory
look at the union's line by line accounting confirms that the bulk of this
is legal-related expenses. SWAPA comes in second with 33.4%, while ALPA is
third with 28.2%.

Then there is the Allied Pilots Association. You'd think from looking at
this chart that the pilots at American Airlines were the happiest campers in
the world. Furthermore, they don't appear to need a lot of consultants
telling them what to do. APA spent only 8.1% of its annual receipts on
representational activities in 2010.

Looking at these expenditures from a slightly different perpective, how do
these totals stack up, in terms of per member cost? How much per member is
each of the four unions paying for those consultants, those advisors -- and
most importantly, those lawyers?

Once again USAPA easily leads the pack, spending over $1100 per member on
representational activity. $1151 to be exact.

ALPA and SWAPA reverse positions from the previous metric with second-place
ALPA spending almost $900 per member while third-place SWAPA spends a bit
more than $600. Once again, APA brings up the rear, with spending in this
category of only $390 per member.

Finally, I thought we'd look at just how much money per member each union
took in, as per their 2010 report.

It's a virtual dead heat between ALPA and SWAPA on the bottom end, with APA
union members contributing a bit more per member. But again, the pilots at
US Airways are sitting at the wrong end of the graph, as their union took in
approximatly $2520 per member, according to its 2010 report.

But this is not because pilots at US Airways are paying more in dues as a
percentage of their pay than pilots at ALPA.

According to the reports filed for each union, ALPA and USAPA take 1.95%
from each member for dues; APA takes 1.5%; while SWAPA's dues are only 1% of
pilot pay.

I believe the difference between ALPA's 1712 number and USAPA's 2520 number
is merely a reflection that ALPA represents a lot of regional airline pilots
whose salary levels, on average, are lower than that of the USAPA pilot
group.

Another factoid I noted when looking at these filings: ALPA reported it had
60,301 members; APA listed 8,439; SWAPA claimed 5,862; while USAPA claimed
only 4,242.

However, on the USAPA website the union says that it represents "5200
mainline pilots." And yes, between the two groups of pilots there should be
about 5200 pilots total.
 
Answer this:

NIC + Kirby = $120 MILLION by last count.

Synergies left in the merger (by management estimates) = $40 MILLION

WHY would the company want this?

Driver B)
Because it needs to be done. Because it’s the right thing to do. Because no one would choose to perpetuate interminable separate ops and separate contracts when a solution can be gained at the bargaining table. Because they have told the courts and the NMB that the Kirby proposal was still a valid offer. Because they think it is a valid and fair offer for a JCBA. Because the east temper tantrum has already saved them hundreds of millions of dollars since 2007. Because they would rather find a peaceful equilibrium than to be in federal court suing a labor union that is completely detached from reality.

Here are some questions for you. Why does Management give raises and bonuses to non-contract employees when they are under no obligation to do so? Why do they give employees Triple Play bonuses for good DOT performance? Why do they give A&B awards every quarter? Why do they have a Chairman’s Award program? None of these are contractually required and they all cost the company money that they would otherwise not spend if they actually hated employees as so many seem to suggest.
 
Here are some questions for you. Why does Management give raises and bonuses to non-contract employees when they are under no obligation to do so? Why do they give employees Triple Play bonuses for good DOT performance? Why do they give A&B awards every quarter? Why do they have a Chairman’s Award program? None of these are contractually required and they all cost the company money that they would otherwise not spend if they actually hated employees as so many seem to suggest.

Because they have changed their bonus program from one tied to profits to one tied to performance. Do the math. They do hate us and they prove it EVERY day. They just need us to funnel the money into their pockets.

The "right thing to do"??? Don't make me throw up.

Driver <_<
 
Afternoon Cactus. What will you think if, if, Mr. Kasher upholds the LOA 93 pay restoration clause and rules for the East pilots? Will LOA 93 still be looked on as so onerous, or will you readjust and want to be included in it if the pay rate goes to 185.00 /hr. for an A 320? Will you agree LOA 93 will hold an entirely new connotation, and one you might aspire to be included in with regard to compensation? One might think for something like this to take a year to rule on, perhaps that might be a possible sign of a possible outcome for East pilots? What is your take on the extensive timeframe for a ruling?

Good morning BS. I'm fine with Kasher's decision if you get the LOA 93 pay restoratiion. Parker has already demonstrated that he will take advantage of our division to his benefit. I've heard the term, "be careful what you wish for" and in this case, may apply.

Two thoughts on the ruling. Results are in and being withheld which is what I believe. Maybe Kasher works the way the federal courts work, very slowww.

So, we wait and wait and wait.
 
Because it needs to be done. Because it’s the right thing to do. Because no one would choose to perpetuate interminable separate ops and separate contracts when a solution can be gained at the bargaining table. Because they have told the courts and the NMB that the Kirby proposal was still a valid offer. Because they think it is a valid and fair offer for a JCBA. Because the east temper tantrum has already saved them hundreds of millions of dollars since 2007. Because they would rather find a peaceful equilibrium than to be in federal court suing a labor union that is completely detached from reality.

Here are some questions for you. Why does Management give raises and bonuses to non-contract employees when they are under no obligation to do so? Why do they give employees Triple Play bonuses for good DOT performance? Why do they give A&B awards every quarter? Why do they have a Chairman’s Award program? None of these are contractually required and they all cost the company money that they would otherwise not spend if they actually hated employees as so many seem to suggest.
They don't do it because they like you. They do it because it is to their benefit. Like a dog doing a trick for a treat. Maybe they will send you some cheese! Mind got lost in the mail.
 
Because they have changed their bonus program from one tied to profits to one tied to performance. Do the math. They do hate us and they prove it EVERY day. They just need us to funnel the money into their pockets.

The "right thing to do"??? Don't make me throw up.

Driver <_<
Lame. You didn't even begin to answer the questions and you got it wrong too. All of those employee programs were in place BEFORE Management began their operational performance based bonus program.

Throwing up can be cathartic when you come face to face with your false stereotypes and unfounded biases. In the end it is better to accept the truth than to continue living a lie, even if it means a trip to puke bucket.
 
They don't do it because they like you. They do it because it is to their benefit. Like a dog doing a trick for a treat. Maybe they will send you some cheese! Mind got lost in the mail.
Of course Management doesn’t hire people or provide incentive programs because they have a heart-felt fondness for 30,000+ employees. US Airways is a business not a charity or a humanitarian organization. You don’t even have to take Business 101 to know that a satisfied, content, happy, loyal and motivated employee is far superior to one who hates their job, hates management, hates their customers, and hates their company and so on. So, there is absolutely an incentive for management to provide bonus and recognition programs to encourage employees to be in the former category rather than the latter.

Now perhaps you do need to take Business 101 or Accounting 101 to understand that Revenue-Expenses=Profit. If Expenses are higher than Revenue then you either need to increase Revenue or decrease Expenses, or both if possible. Now Economics 101 can help you understand that in a commodity market where consumers make very little distinction between brands, increasing revenue may be a near impossibility. Do you buy a soda at Circle K or Quick Trip if there is a $1 difference between the two? Do you buy gas at Texaco or Arco if there is a $0.15/gallon difference between the two? And the general public not tied to a loyalty program will not fly US if there is a $10 per ticket difference between US and any other carrier’s price for the same seat going between the same two cities. This is a fact that has been proven over and over again.

So, you can’t make a determination as to whether Management likes or dislikes you based on the rate of pay offered. Market forces beyond Management’s control are driving Revenue, Expenses or both in the basic profit equation. Management sets revenue pricing based on what the market will bear, not because they like or dislike customers, but because that is how a business works. Likewise, Management makes wage offers to employees based on what the market will bear while also considering attrition, training and other factors to ensure the most competitive labor costs in relation to the rest of the R-E=P equation.

I’ve noticed that very few armchair quarterbacks are offered starting QB positions at even the worst team in the NFL. I’ve also noticed that disgruntled rank-and-file employees are rarely offered the CEO position at major corporations. I wonder why that is when they do seem to have all the “right” answers for every "problem" management can't fix.
 
Two thoughts on the ruling. Results are in and being withheld which is what I believe. Maybe Kasher works the way the federal courts work, very slowww.

So, we wait and wait and wait.

Agree 100%. If Parker and USAPA don't want to release the results there is no mandate for having them do so once the decision is delivered. This isn't a jury verdict, it is an arbitration dispute between two parties and if those two parties mutually agree to wait on hearing what Kasher said then that seems very plausible. Look, the loa93 situation isn't that complex, it shouldn't take a year to get it done. Nicolau had a much more complex arbitration between two parties and that didn't take nearly as long as this Kasher decision. So, we wait for the inevitable which is... LOA93 for eternity. :rolleyes:
 
Reporter dives into USAPA's dues collecting and spending compared to other unions. This is a portion of the first article with more to come.

Pilot Unions, Money, and More

When US Airways recently conducted its 2011 Media Day Event, "Unplugged" in
Tempe, the US Airways Pilot Association (USAPA) did not let the opportunity
go by without issuing a press release accusing management of being complicit
in a recent incident in which a former America West (and current US Airways)
pilot reportedly accessed and then downloaded information from a company
database of pilot information.

The pilot(s) involved were sympathetic to Leonidas, a group of former
America West pilots. Leonidas apparently used the mailing addresses included
in the data dump to send out letters last fall promoting their side of the
US Airways West/US Airways East ongoing seniority fight.

This would have been bad enough, but apparently the database had social
security numbers, and other personal information embedded in it as well.
As a result, this incident has now provided USAPA union management (whose
allegiance is firmly rooted in the old US Airways East group) with a pretty
big stick to wave around, and the union leadership has gone so far as to
suggest that the breach was a matter of national security, necessitating an
FBI investigation.

While ordinarily I would have concentrated on the obvious question of what
this means for the future of any meaningful attempts to unite the
dysfunctional pilot union at US Airways -- we know that answer. Nothing
remotely positive.

Or, I might have devoted my attention to the status of the legal fight
between the former America West pilots and the US Airways East pilots, with
both sides now awaiting the determination of an appeal to the 9th Circuit
Court of Appeals. No matter what the decision is, of course, there will be
more legal maneuvering by one side or the other. But, on this occasion my
mind was focused -- as I was sitting in the middle of a financial
presentation -- on revenues and costs.

I wondered, "So how much in legal fees is this latest incident going to cost
USAPA members? How much money did the union take in last year anyway? How
many former America West pilots aren't even paying dues?"

Reflecting on all of this, as I sat in Tempe, and watched US Airways CEO
Doug Parker during a question and answer session try to answer a question
about this issue in 2 minutes or less -- a completely impossible task, given
the long drawn-out ugly story here -- it occurred to me that we know so much
about the airlines and their financial condition, but very little about the
unions that represent the employees who work for the airlines.
So this week we decided it was time to take a little stroll through the
federally-mandated annual reports currently on file for each of the four
major airline pilot unions and see what we could see.

And what we saw will probably keep us busy for a long time. All we did this
week was skim the surface.

For those who would like to follow along, the information this week comes
from the LM-2 reports that each union is required to file with the U.S.
Department of Labor.

For this week, we took the reports from the four largest pilot unions -- Air
Line Pilots Association, Allied Pilots Association, Southwest Airlines Pilot
Association, and the US Airways Pilot Association -- and looked at a couple
of key metrics.

Because I had become transfixed on the subject of legal fees and how much
USAPA has paid out in such fees over the last year, we looked at the line
item called "representational activity". This is where expenses related to
consulting, legal fees, PR firms, etc. are listed. This line item does not
include lobbying or political activity. That is a separate line item that we
will take a look at in the future.

We looked at these numbers in terms of both cost as a percentage of total
receipts and cost per member. A note here. "Total receipts" includes other
items besides dues.

Finally, we took a look at how much was received in dues and agency fees.
Per member. In other words, when you take all the dues that were collected
by a particular union, how much, on average, did each member contribute to
the union's coffers?

In follow-up reports to this one, we'll take a much closer look at some of
those expenses that show up on the representational activities line, and
we'll also look at what percentage each union spends on overhead,
administration, benefits, and political activities.

Yes, this is going to be a gift that keeps on giving.

But for this week -- just a small peek.

First, in terms of sheer revenues, the union groups stacked up thusly from
largest to smallest: ALPA, APA, SWAPA and USAPA.

Here's our teaser question for the week. Which union has more net assets per
member than the others? We'll answer that in our next chapter of "Pilot
Unions, Money and More." After this quarter's earnings releases have been
digested, dissected, and rolled out.

Back to this week.

In this first chart, we see a breakdown of the representational costs, as
reported by each union, as a % of that union's total receipts. To simply
list which union had the highest representational costs would be very
misleading, as ALPA's member base is so much larger that its expenses for
this line item are tremendously greater than the other three combined.
However, when we look at the amounts paid, as a percentage of total
receipts, I think we have an even playing field upon which to make our
evaluations.

As you can see in the chart above, USAPA does indeed spend almost 40%
(38.2%) of all of its receipts on representational activities. A cursory
look at the union's line by line accounting confirms that the bulk of this
is legal-related expenses. SWAPA comes in second with 33.4%, while ALPA is
third with 28.2%.

Then there is the Allied Pilots Association. You'd think from looking at
this chart that the pilots at American Airlines were the happiest campers in
the world. Furthermore, they don't appear to need a lot of consultants
telling them what to do. APA spent only 8.1% of its annual receipts on
representational activities in 2010.

Looking at these expenditures from a slightly different perpective, how do
these totals stack up, in terms of per member cost? How much per member is
each of the four unions paying for those consultants, those advisors -- and
most importantly, those lawyers?

Once again USAPA easily leads the pack, spending over $1100 per member on
representational activity. $1151 to be exact.

ALPA and SWAPA reverse positions from the previous metric with second-place
ALPA spending almost $900 per member while third-place SWAPA spends a bit
more than $600. Once again, APA brings up the rear, with spending in this
category of only $390 per member.

Finally, I thought we'd look at just how much money per member each union
took in, as per their 2010 report.

It's a virtual dead heat between ALPA and SWAPA on the bottom end, with APA
union members contributing a bit more per member. But again, the pilots at
US Airways are sitting at the wrong end of the graph, as their union took in
approximatly $2520 per member, according to its 2010 report.

But this is not because pilots at US Airways are paying more in dues as a
percentage of their pay than pilots at ALPA.

According to the reports filed for each union, ALPA and USAPA take 1.95%
from each member for dues; APA takes 1.5%; while SWAPA's dues are only 1% of
pilot pay.

I believe the difference between ALPA's 1712 number and USAPA's 2520 number
is merely a reflection that ALPA represents a lot of regional airline pilots
whose salary levels, on average, are lower than that of the USAPA pilot
group.

Another factoid I noted when looking at these filings: ALPA reported it had
60,301 members; APA listed 8,439; SWAPA claimed 5,862; while USAPA claimed
only 4,242.

However, on the USAPA website the union says that it represents "5200
mainline pilots." And yes, between the two groups of pilots there should be
about 5200 pilots total.

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You guys crack me up with the stuff you think we don't realize....
we are spending a lot on lawyers? How about you guys....
keep the donations coming.. You are going to need more.
 
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You guys crack me up with the stuff you think we don't realize....
we are spending a lot on lawyers? How about you guys....
keep the donations coming.. You are going to need more.


The part that cracks me up is that the West thinks Holly Hegeman is a reporter. Notice they didn't leave her name signed to it?
 
Of course Management doesn’t hire people or provide incentive programs because they have a heart-felt fondness for 30,000+ employees. US Airways is a business not a charity or a humanitarian organization. You don’t even have to take Business 101 to know that a satisfied, content, happy, loyal and motivated employee is far superior to one who hates their job, hates management, hates their customers, and hates their company and so on. So, there is absolutely an incentive for management to provide bonus and recognition programs to encourage employees to be in the former category rather than the latter.

Now perhaps you do need to take Business 101 or Accounting 101 to understand that Revenue-Expenses=Profit. If Expenses are higher than Revenue then you either need to increase Revenue or decrease Expenses, or both if possible. Now Economics 101 can help you understand that in a commodity market where consumers make very little distinction between brands, increasing revenue may be a near impossibility. Do you buy a soda at Circle K or Quick Trip if there is a $1 difference between the two? Do you buy gas at Texaco or Arco if there is a $0.15/gallon difference between the two? And the general public not tied to a loyalty program will not fly US if there is a $10 per ticket difference between US and any other carrier’s price for the same seat going between the same two cities. This is a fact that has been proven over and over again.

So, you can’t make a determination as to whether Management likes or dislikes you based on the rate of pay offered. Market forces beyond Management’s control are driving Revenue, Expenses or both in the basic profit equation. Management sets revenue pricing based on what the market will bear, not because they like or dislike customers, but because that is how a business works. Likewise, Management makes wage offers to employees based on what the market will bear while also considering attrition, training and other factors to ensure the most competitive labor costs in relation to the rest of the R-E=P equation.

I’ve noticed that very few armchair quarterbacks are offered starting QB positions at even the worst team in the NFL. I’ve also noticed that disgruntled rank-and-file employees are rarely offered the CEO position at major corporations. I wonder why that is when they do seem to have all the “right” answers for every "problem" management can't fix.


You have just GOT to be some management type. It is all I can come up with. Or maybe you are Doug's golf partner or something.
That would explain your bias toward management and why you want the East to "take one for the team".

Driver B)
 
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You guys crack me up with the stuff you think we don't realize....
we are spending a lot on lawyers? How about you guys....
keep the donations coming.. You are going to need more.

We love you guys giving your money to Lee. Hopefully those percentages will keep getting higher.

I plan on giving to Leonidas as long as takes to keep DOH off this property.

I'm satisified with the result thus far.
 
The part that cracks me up is that the West thinks Holly Hegeman is a reporter. Notice they didn't leave her name signed to it?

Go ahead run down The Street to Ted Reed for a biased and Usapian friendly report. She ran the numbers and came to a conclusion. She never worked for America West can you say the same for Ted Reed's relationship with Us Air?
 
You have just GOT to be some management type. It is all I can come up with. Or maybe you are Doug's golf partner or something.
That would explain your bias toward management and why you want the East to "take one for the team".

Driver B)
Why is that? Because only management types can pontificate on indisputable facts? Because only management types understand how business and economic principles work in real life? Because only management types don’t hate their jobs and their bosses? Because only management types have a positive or realistic outlook regarding the state of the company? Why is it that these characteristics and qualities are so rare among non-management types?

If I were in management I would have been fired long ago for posting on this board. All company statements and positions are made through Corporate Communications. So a management type posting here would violate both the policy on who is allowed to speak for management and the policy for not using company computers to post on web/chat boards. Not only that, but if I were a management type I would be constrained to not violate company policy because doing so would be morally/ethically wrong, not to mention who would want to lose their paycheck over something like using this forum?

So I guess that means I must be Doug’s golf partner. Oh, wait I haven’t play golf with Doug either. So maybe I’m his caddy and he gives me a crisp $10 bill for putting a nice shine on his clubs and for speaking the truth on this board. Could that be it?

I don’t think the NIC or the Kirby proposal sticks it to the east in any way. The NIC is exceedingly fair and it is also the only way to close out section 22 in order to get to a JCBA – at least in my opinion. The ratios NIC used actually favor the east over the west by a small margin on the combined list. The west doesn’t advance as much under NIC and the east doesn’t lose as much under NIC as all the hysterics make it out to be. The only thing that seems unfair to me is for the east to be led by a corrupt and despotic “union” that lies in order to gain power and delay any real contract enhancements that the east pilots could otherwise attain. LOA93 is worse than the NIC+Kirby and yet I am branded as an extremist for claiming so. I am still amazed at how hostile or intollerant people can be toward hearing the truth.
 
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