US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

How can the East claim that the Nic award is not fair when the Shuttle and Delta Northwest arbitrations produced basically the same result, slotting by equipment and status?

I told my reps they should have had EA DOH.

 

[Pi brat]

You start a war and you're upset about ettiquette? USAPA and their cheerleaders are worse than picket line crossing scabs...no polite behavior will change the direction of the scabs suicide mission.

You have said you are not a US pilot and have no ties to us, so you know what I think of your opinion and what you can do with it?

 

[Metroyet]

You have said you are not a US pilot and have no ties to us, so you know what I think of your opinion and what you can do with it?

Yes. I'm aware. I'd stop responding to me if I were you....common sense would dictate.

 

[trevrep]

Well I've read the same things you have and in MHFO the East pilot s should have the first 2600 slots and you and the rest of the west can use nic,hic,pic or dic to figure the last 1700, we dont care. carry on boy.

Hey Mikeyboy.......your HFO is just that. You MFHO and nothing more.....your opinion is worth what I paid for it, nothing.

I think you're the only one who cares what your opinion is.......you're a real peach pal.

Let me guess.....junior f/o in Hill billy Philly?

 

[BoeingBoy]

At least Mikey is honest about his position, so gotta give him credit for that.

Jim

 

[traderjake]

I told my reps they should have had EA DOH.

The point is that on 3 occasions neutral third parties (agreed upon by both sides) said that slotting by equipment and staus was more fair than DOH.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

The point is that on 3 occasions neutral third parties (agreed upon by both sides) said that slotting by equipment and staus was more fair than DOH.

You had two arbitrations two years apart with Northwest/Republic and US/PI and ended up with DOH which was a lot more consistent with the Allegheny-Mohawk ruling from the CAB in 1972. 3rd parties and neutrals thought those were fair. Maybe it had something to do with the policy and ALPA direction. The fact that there are different results today is the policy changed as a result of politics and who was driving them, which ALPA changed yet again last year by inserting longevity into the policy which will likely produce a different result for UAL/CAL.

Bottom line, of the airline labor unions, the pilots have taken it in the shorts most, not just at US but across the industry. Maybe its because there has been shifting targets in basic union concepts over the last 30 years, whilst the other unions just concentrate on Friday and Payday.

 

[Black Swan]

No all you have to do is abide by the agreed to final and binding arbitration. But oh yes you will abide by the court ruling too.

But we did vote. You did not need to be a member of ALPA to vote. It was only after the east pilots took our union and replaced it with your own did we not join usapa. A union designed to harm the west. Why would anyone join an organization created to do harm? Again AFTER the fact.

No we did not vote for the present regime. That is all east. We have no blame in that.

How much support does usapa have now? Is it still the majority of east pilots? Does usapa have the support of any west pilots? After almost 3 years has usapa done anything to create unity?

Let's just be patient and see what counselor Kasher has in store. If it goes the East way, there will be some serious unity over here. "All the risk lies with the west..." "This is for you guys to decide....."

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Don't you just luv ClearD's victimization rants! Usapa was created due to inefficient outdated and conflict of interest policies by a large useless national organization, your statement of west harm is extremely narcassitic. So you didn't vote for USAPA so what? USAPA has much support in all yhe good work it is doing, Pension investigation, safety, etc, etc, my suggestion to you is if your truly unhappy, most of the majors like UAL, DAL, will be hiring very soon, good luck in your future quest! JAMIE, JG, JJ,MM!

 

[trevrep]

The point is that on 3 occasions neutral third parties (agreed upon by both sides) said that slotting by equipment and staus was more fair than DOH.

It wasn't George Nicolau alone...he had two pilot neutrals who agreed on the fairness of the decsion.....

 

[oldiebutgoody]

It wasn't George Nicolau alone...he had two pilot neutrals who agreed on the fairness of the decsion.....

Hardly neutral. At least one of them wanted to trash the seniority of the East side in the event of a merger with his company, which had been tried TWICE already. Plus, due to the structure of the board, it didn't matter what either one thought.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Hardly neutral. At least one of them wanted to trash the seniority of the East side in the event of a merger with his company, which had been tried TWICE already. Plus, due to the structure of the board, it didn't matter what either one thought.

I agree a TRUE neutral would have been someone who wasn't an ALPA pilot! After all wasn't the head of our merger one of the neutrals in the Republic merger!

 

[nic4us]

"This is for you guys to decide....."

Well fair enough, but how about we decide based on the reality of the situation?

Seen the CLT crew news yet?

Parker accuses usapa of putting out false info regarding his compensation. Well welcome to the West pilot's world Mr. Parker.

The constant barrage of disingenuous info put out by usapa is mind numbing. Whether it is unfactual Nic data, misinterpretations of the 9th's ruling, misleading LOA93 language analysis, accusations regarding the need for the company DJ, and on and on and on.

However, the greatest, most egregious lie usapa has ever put out there was authored by the little lawyer. "We can get DOH by offering a cost neutral contract in exchange for labor peace". The reality of the situation regarding seniority integration is very simple.

We already decided.

 

[nic4us]

Hardly neutral. At least one of them wanted to trash the seniority of the East side in the event of a merger with his company, which had been tried TWICE already. Plus, due to the structure of the board, it didn't matter what either one thought.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If LCC eventually merged with UAL, the seniority of the 5400 LCC pilots would be merged with the UAL pilots. The order of the LCC list would be entirely unconsequential of the final product in the eyes of a UAL pilot.

Do you write usapa updates?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Well fair enough, but how about we decide based on the reality of the situation?

Seen the CLT crew news yet?

Parker accuses usapa of putting out false info regarding his compensation. Well welcome to the West pilot's world Mr. Parker.

The constant barrage of disingenuous info put out by usapa is mind numbing. Whether it is unfactual Nic data, misinterpretations of the 9th's ruling, misleading LOA93 language analysis, accusations regarding the need for the company DJ, and on and on and on.

However, the greatest, most egregious lie usapa has ever put out there was authored by the little lawyer. "We can get DOH by offering a cost neutral contract in exchange for labor peace". The reality of the situation regarding seniority integration is very simple.

We already decided.

Your correct we did it is in USAPA's C&B laws! DP, gotta luv his dodging the truth, guess the WSJ lied too!