US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

CLT in 2014 boo boo!!

Why wait, you will commute to what is left of PHX regardless. Come today.

 

[prechilill]

Yep the APA will thank usapa with a boot in the ass out the door.

Has judge Silver ruled yet? The Nicolau is alive and well. BTW. Have you thought beyond the next minute? If judge Silver rules in favor of the west. Merger happens. We become APA very quickly. Who is going to appeal her ruling? Usapa will be the former bargaining agent with no money, no legal authority to represent anyone and no way to collect taxes I mean dues.

Who will file it and who will pay for it? In addition any delay, delays the pay raises? Willing to wait a year or two for the ninth to throw it out? Oh that's right you don't work here so it does not matter to you.

And that is what escapes the frog brains out east- once APA takes over the only pull the frog brains will have is about 30% of the total reps of the combined pilot group. Looks like the "tyranny of the majority" will quickly become the "crying of the minority", but more importantly it means there will no longer be needless delays for this pilot group- we finally can move forward which Ustupid was incapable of doing. Ustupid is dead with a merger and so is what they stood for.

 

[Move2CLT]

Why wait, you will commute to what is left of PHX regardless. Come today.

No thanks ClaxoMM, I'll wait. And when you fly with me, I'll even let you raise the gear for me.

How about that? LMAO.

 

[algflyr]

With the amount of pilots both side will be retiring (1000 a year for a few years), I have little doubt that there will be no furloughs on the pilots side.

I don't think the combined retirements will even approach 1000 per year for at least 10 years or so... Here is a combined retirement list showing the year and the combined retirements of US and AA pilots due to age 65:

2012 - 15
2013 - 269
2014 - 346
2015 - 357
2016 - 436
2017 - 550
2018 - 639
2019 - 771
2020 - 851
2021 - 913
2022 - 929
2023 - 1,009
2024 - 964
2025 - 960

 

[nic4us]

If Silver is stupid enough to do what the other Arizona judge was stupid enough to do, she will get taken to the 9th faster than a shot. With the same results. There still is no Nicolau, because it takes a joint contract to make it so, and now there never will be if the merger happens. Hats off to Michael Cleary. He prevented the Nicolau and now the merger takes it all away. Brilliant. No wonder you hate him and USAPA so, they completely thwarted the Nicolau. Understandable.

Once again Claxypad shows her complete ignorance of the TA.

The TA says the company can't use the Nic until there is a joint contract. The TA also says that between east and West, seniority is settled via the Nic. Done deal. That part of the TA contract fulfilled, oh, and the company fulfilled their part and accepted the Nic, recognizing it as the only legal joint seniority list for LCC.

Silver ain't going to tell usapa they have to use the Nic. She will likely tell them the same thing the 9th did. usapa is the bargaining agent for all LCC pilots, and those pilots entered into a binding arbitration. usapa wanted to represent the LCC pilots, so, usapa either defends the Nic, or they get sued and lose. Pretty simple. Only a union busting little scab lawyer would think otherwise.

But, the company asked the questions, so the reply will be given to them, not usapa. The scab union is just along for the ride, both in Silver's courtroom, and if they feel it necessary to appeal to the 9th.

 

[Claxon]

Once again Claxypad shows her complete ignorance of the TA.

The TA says the company can't use the Nic until there is a joint contract. The TA also says that between east and West, seniority is settled via the Nic. Done deal. That part of the TA contract fulfilled, oh, and the company fulfilled their part and accepted the Nic, recognizing it as the only legal joint seniority list for LCC.

Silver ain't going to tell usapa they have to use the Nic. She will likely tell them the same thing the 9th did. usapa is the bargaining agent for all LCC pilots, and those pilots entered into a binding arbitration. usapa wanted to represent the LCC pilots, so, usapa either defends the Nic, or they get sued and lose. Pretty simple. Only a union busting little scab lawyer would think otherwise.

But, the company asked the questions, so the reply will be given to them, not usapa. The scab union is just along for the ride, both in Silver's courtroom, and if they feel it necessary to appeal to the 9th.

Nic4entitled, the 9th gave the opinion on the Nic, and it doesn't have to be the Nic. They trump any TA because they RULE. Loved your re do of the Ansett scab situation. Just like your situational stealing of seniority. Whatever suits you westerners, makes it INTEGRITY blessed. The eastern division will obviously dig in, and wait you out. Smoke you out, your lost cause is slowly sinking. It was doomed to fail, like Kirby warned you, like ALPA warned you at Wye River. It is all coming true six years later. This is an enjoyable show of justice playing out. AA will seal the deal.

 

[luvthe9]

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This is absolutely true. There is no time or reason for Parker to do an individual deal East and West. It is going to be a three way, something you all have always hoped for! It is finally going to come true :blush: :blush: :blush:

 

[cleardirect]

If Silver is stupid enough to do what the other Arizona judge was stupid enough to do, she will get taken to the 9th faster than a shot. With the same results. There still is no Nicolau, because it takes a joint contract to make it so, and now there never will be if the merger happens. Hats off to Michael Cleary. He prevented the Nicolau and now the merger takes it all away. Brilliant. No wonder you hate him and USAPA so, they completely thwarted the Nicolau. Understandable.

You really should stop posting because you show your ignorance every time you do.

Did you miss the part or just to slow to understand that when we become APA there will be no usapa to file an appeal. No appeal the ninth has nothing to say. They don't just give an unsolicited opinion.

I asked earlier. Who is going to file it? Who is going to pay for it? The APA will not. Usapa will be no more.

Read the term sheet if you are able. There are strick deadlines in there. The east will not drag this out. If they try the AA pilots will get paid but the east will not.

Game over for the east and the usapa experiment. Usapa the former bargaining agent for us airways. Nothing but a footnote in the history of airline associations.

 

[algflyr]

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Did you miss the part or just to slow to understand that when we become APA there will be no usapa to file an appeal. No appeal the ninth has nothing to say. They don't just give an unsolicited opinion.

I asked earlier. Who is going to file it? Who is going to pay for it? The APA will not. Usapa will be no more.
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So using your logic... as of right now, the APA has no duty to represent the US pilots. That's USAPA. So in a merger the APA will provide their official list. USAPA will provide the only official lists of US (East, West and new-hires) and those will used in the SLI. The Nic isn't used... What will be the recourse to that? USAPA will not be around to even think about a DFR II... Will you try DFR against the APA?? They had no duty to represent anyone on the US side of the fence pre-merger...

 

[Move2CLT]

So using your logic... as of right now, the APA has no duty to represent the US pilots. That's USAPA. So in a merger the APA will provide their official list. USAPA will provide the only official lists of US (East, West and new-hires) and those will used in the SLI. The Nic isn't used... What will be the recourse to that? USAPA will not be around to even think about a DFR II... Will you try DFR against the APA?? They had no duty to represent anyone on the US side of the fence pre-merger...

Do you guys need this beat into you or something? Is that the only way you're going to get this?

The APA will inherit everything and yes, the DFR would be against the APA and against the company as well for collusion.

Read what I just wrote a few times so it sinks in. Its already been discussed a number of times and you obviously need help figuring it out.

 

[cleardirect]

So using your logic... as of right now, the APA has no duty to represent the US pilots. That's USAPA. So in a merger the APA will provide their official list. USAPA will provide the only official lists of US (East, West and new-hires) and those will used in the SLI. The Nic isn't used... What will be the recourse to that? USAPA will not be around to even think about a DFR II... Will you try DFR against the APA?? They had no duty to represent anyone on the US side of the fence pre-merger...

Take minute and think about what you are saying.

Why did the west sue usapa for DFR and not ALPA?

When you can answer that question you will know why the west will sue APA.

 

[nic4us]

Hey Claxsucker,

How did I redo the Ansett situation?

You are free to point out any mistakes I posted as to the historical facts.

Oh, and the 9th RULES alright...just not in favor of scab unions that are too stupid to realize they have been taken by their union busting lawyer for a ride.

Care to point out where in the opinion the 9th made any mention of whether the Nic is binding on usapa? I will save you the trouble, They did not, and they went further and specifically said their opinion does not address that matter.

 

[prechilill]

So using your logic... as of right now, the APA has no duty to represent the US pilots. That's USAPA. So in a merger the APA will provide their official list. USAPA will provide the only official lists of US (East, West and new-hires) and those will used in the SLI. The Nic isn't used... What will be the recourse to that? USAPA will not be around to even think about a DFR II... Will you try DFR against the APA?? They had no duty to represent anyone on the US side of the fence pre-merger...

APA will be the union for both sides before the SLI is ever determined. A DFR against UStupid gets transferred to the APA as well- in either scenario the Nicolau will be used by the APA to avoid any legal issues. You guys are done.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You really should stop posting because you show your ignorance every time you do.

Did you miss the part or just to slow to understand that when we become APA there will be no usapa to file an appeal. No appeal the ninth has nothing to say. They don't just give an unsolicited opinion.

I asked earlier. Who is going to file it? Who is going to pay for it? The APA will not. Usapa will be no more.

Read the term sheet if you are able. There are strick deadlines in there. The east will not drag this out. If they try the AA pilots will get paid but the east will not.

Game over for the east and the usapa experiment. Usapa the former bargaining agent for us airways. Nothing but a footnote in the history of airline associations.

Who you going to sue in a corporate transaction when the "WEST CONTRACTS" are sold as part of this transaction? Sure answers alot of questions, no lawsuits for the corp, no list to transfer(no joint contract no list) , don't need an operating certificate using AA, DOUG already said movin to DALLAS(bye bye PHX), and all that 30% EAST flying now filled by AA pilots and F/a"s and immediate job savings with no furlough's! "the risk is all on your side! MMCLAX!

 

[Ames]

With the amount of pilots both side will be retiring (1000 a year for a few years), I have little doubt that there will be no furloughs on the pilots side.

I disagree. With increased productivity, PBS, and training seat locks there will be a sizeable hit.