US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Show me my signature on any such "agreement" I supposedly made. What I've promised, and will adhere to, is NEVER voting for anything nic inclusive. That promise will be kept.

I'll leave you to your sad little world wherein all morality is clearly a "relative" issue.

My signature is not on any usapa documents yet the injunction that usapa caused still applies to me.

Your vote put the leadership in place. Your leadership bound you to the final and binding arbitration. So don't try that weasel move "it's not me".

 

[Move2CLT]

Clear realx, we are going to have DOH, just get use to it. If I were you guys I would be worried, lets see AA is going to have a fence on their widebodies, East is going to have a fence on their widebodies, and west is going to have a......... waiit a minute you don't have widebodies. Oh no.

Nic destroyer,

And Kasher must pay, right?

LMAO.

 

[nevergiveup]

Every Easthole in the book can vote no until the end of time. You'll never, ever stop the Nic from being crammed up your six. You really should start whining on the AA boards about your poor crappy career choices. Maybe those guys would be willing to lose their pensions and work rules to help you out.

Judge Silver is going to end this for good. Accept it or don't. Jump off a bridge. We don't care.

I'll try to catch you!

 

[Freighterguynow]

Now how many past furloughs have occurred with no furlough clauses, min block hours and min Captain protections that went up in smoke? Two that I can think of.

Delta pays $213 for the A330 and Parker promises $250?

Suckers!

 

[Move2CLT]

EXCEPT FROM THE BPR UPDATE However, if the CBA succeeds, Captain Bates stated that they need other pieces to fall into place such as a new Transition Agreement, fences, and then the representational issues (who will represent the pilots: APA, USAPA, Teamsters, etc). The last issue that will have to be addressed is seniority, which is governed by the McCaskill-Bond Amendment. Captain Bates also pointed out that the APA is neutral on the current USAPA seniority issue.

Nice work on the bolding.

Those fences are between the APA and USAPA.

Notice how they didn't say east, west, and APA.

Nic is it.

 

[fodase]

Now how many past furloughs have occurred with no furlough clauses, min block hours and min Captain protections that went up in smoke? Two that I can think of.

Delta pays $213 for the A330 and Parker promises $250?

Suckers!

In 5 years. Don't let facts get in your way, typical easthole

 

[nic4us]

"You've a pronounced spiritual deficiency, coupled with complete contempt for persons more experienced than yourself, plus an amazingly infantile sense of "entitlement"...what that last is even conceivably based on, I'll never understand.."

Sigh!...I rest my case

Your false premise that does nothing but ASSUME more experience, hints of your over the top sense of entitlement.

But lets talk experience.

AWA had A320 aircraft long before US did, and therefore is the much more experienced A320 operator.
AWA was hiring in the post 9-11 era, filling its ranks with many pilots furloughed from the likes of US,TWA etc.
AWA as a startup, hired directly off the street to fill captain positions. Far more experienced than some 84 US hire that was flying a Beech99 at Simmons, or a 21 year old son or daughter who got an interview because of family ties.

 

[USA320Pilot]

BPR Special Meeting Recap (Day 1): May 1, 2012

The Board of Pilot Representatives meeting began at approximately 0905 ET on Monday, April 30, at the USAPA offices in Charlotte. All BPR members where present with the exceptions of Eric Ferguson, DDR for John Scherff; George Maliga, DDR for Roger Velez; and Jamie Wiedner, DDR for Eric Jordan.

After President Hummel called the meeting to order, he addressed possible reordering of the agenda. Extensive discussion was conducted before approving the following agenda (to be conducted in specific order):
In addition to Officer Reports, the agenda will include:

1. Prepare for APA President Bates with Legal/Merger/NAC
2. Briefing by APA President David Bates
3. Board review after Bates briefing with Legal/Merger/NAC/Business Intelligence including Review of BPR and Officer Communications
4. Interview of Professional Negotiators
5. Interview of Negotiating Committee candidates
6. Resolution concerning the recording of BPR meetings
7. Committee appointments
8. Discussion on a Professional Standards Initiative with US Airways Chief Pilots
9. Board discussion and resolutions concerning the Pension Investigation Assessment
10. Age 60 PBS resolution
11. Discussion with USAPA General Counsel Brian O'Dwyer including:

a. Dismissal of NY status quo litigation
b. NC Permanent Injunction
c. LifeLock Protection

12 Briefing and discussion of Office Staff
13. Review of past Board business that has been tabled for needed actions and/or possible dismissal
14. (Day 2 at 1000) Doug Parker introduction and presentation to the BPR on Tuesday, May 1st
The Board of Pilot Representatives further agrees the agenda may be reorder to accomplish time critical actions for the pilots.

The amended agenda passed by unanimous vote.

At approximately 0945 the Board voted to go into executive session unanimously.

At 1220 the BPR returned to "Open Session" and broke for lunch.

At approximately 1300, President Hummel reconvened the BPR meeting for a presentation from Allied Pilots Association (APA) President Dave Bates and APA Negotiating Committee Chairman Neil Roghair.

Captain Bates discussed how the original process began back when US Airways was looking for a merger partner. In January, US Airways had a team talking with various Wall Street contacts and concluded with a meeting between Doug Parker and the APA. The original meetings were kept quiet and limited to a few members of the APA board. Those meetings led to a meeting in Phoenix. According to Captain Bates, the expectations were low, but the results were high. Dialog was conducted with the previous USAPA President but it was decided to wait until after the USAPA Officer elections to continue talks.

Captain Bates then discussed the current status with American Airlines (AMR) and the results of the discussions with US Airways. AMR is suffering from a poor corporate culture and has lost its previous leading position with business travelers. AMR is currently in bankruptcy and the unions are facing a 1113 motion by AMR to reject their Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). The discussions with US Airways were surprisingly productive and resulted in a Conditional Agreement that will exceed current Delta pay rates in the second year of the agreement. Captain Bates continued that the merger process will not be easy, as it has big obstacles and strong opponents.

However, if the CBA succeeds, Captain Bates stated that they need other pieces to fall into place such as a new Transition Agreement, fences, and then the representational issues (who will represent the pilots: APA, USAPA, Teamsters, etc). The last issue that will have to be addressed is seniority, which is governed by the McCaskill-Bond Amendment. Captain Bates also pointed out that the APA is neutral on the current USAPA seniority issue.

Extensive questions were then accepted and answered from pilots in attendance regarding the terms agreed to by APA and US Airways. Of note:

Seniority will be address at a later date.
The majority of APA's required concessions ($130 million) are frozen pensions and in productivity.
Seat pay protection and furlough protection.
US Airways management agreed not to lose one pilot job.

APA wants USAPA's help so that everyone is happy with our future contract. The 1113 motion will be decided by bankruptcy court by June 6.

APA Negotiating Committee Chairman Neil Roghair then continued the presentation with saying APA "tried to put ourselves in your shoes." Captain Roghair commented that the current agreement with the APA and US Airways included Airbus Narrow-Body pay rates of $171/hr at Date of Signing (DOS) and approximately $200 at year five. The Airbus 330 rates will be $216/hr at DOS and $250/hr at year five.

Captain Roghair then discussed the transition to a Preferential Bidding System (PBS) and scheduling parameters similar to Delta. The flying cap will be 83 hours but allow the ability to fly to FAR's. The 12-month average maximum will be 90 hours per month. Work rule changes for the APA will include a new trip trade system, PBS, duty day and augmented flying provisions, crew rest seats (APA has better provisions, which include blocking of the adjacent seat), and sequence protection. One big issue is to preserve the provision that requires reserve pilots to be "reasonably available via ground transportation."

Captain Bates concluded that negotiations are not over, but Management shows a willingness to negotiate. After their presentation, questions from the BPR and the members at large were answered. Extensive questions from the Board and pilots at large were answered by Merger Counsel Pat Szymanski.

At approximately 1550, a 10-minute break was taken.

Questions and answers continued until approximately 1600 when Scott Haglund, professional negotiator for the Teamsters, made a presentation to the Board, followed by questions and answers from the Board and pilots at large.

At approximately 1700, the Board went into closed Executive Session to discuss Agenda Item 3: Board review after Bates briefing with Legal/Merger/NAC/Business Intelligence including Review of BPR and Officer Communications.

The Board recessed at approximately 1845 to reconvene at 0900 ET today, May 1.

 

[OTTER574]

In 5 years. Don't let facts get in your way, typical easthole

Last I looked and added it up, there will be 2500 + - retirements between US and AA due to age 65 in the next 5 years.

Maybe Parker added it up too..... B)

OTTER

 

[nic4us]

EXCEPT FROM THE BPR UPDATE However, if the CBA succeeds, Captain Bates stated that they need other pieces to fall into place such as a new Transition Agreement, fences, and then the representational issues (who will represent the pilots: APA, USAPA, Teamsters, etc). The last issue that will have to be addressed is seniority, which is governed by the McCaskill-Bond Amendment. Captain Bates also pointed out that the APA is neutral on the current USAPA seniority issue.

Of course the APA is neutral in the LCC seniority matter. They have no DFR towards LCC pilots.

If the APA were to be the surviving union in an LCC/AMR merger, and of course everyone would expect that to be the case, the APA would represent the pilots who entered into a binding arbitration agreement and drop the neutrality in a heartbeat to protect itself from the "unquestionably ripe DFR" that would await them for failing to adhear to an arbitration result from members within its ranks.

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[Freighterguynow]

As of 4:30 Pm Today the APA has shared that the combined plan with Parker is for Nic. to be the list. Both the company and apa lawyers agree, The company siding with the west in the DJ case is not a fluke, it was planned out and part of the overall plan to make this merger go smoothly. The plan includes the APA taking over from usapa and presenting the combined contract to all pilot's to vote on. The usapa lawyers will be immediately fired with arrangements for apa to pay for independant lcc merger counsel.

Bump

 

[OTTER574]

Of course the APA is neutral in the LCC seniority matter. They have no DFR towards LCC pilots.

If the APA were to be the surviving union in an LCC/AMR merger, and of course everyone would expect that to be the case, the APA would represent the pilots who entered into a binding arbitration agreement and drop the neutrality in a heartbeat to protect itself from the "unquestionably ripe DFR" that would await them for failing to adhear to an arbitration result from members within its ranks.

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Only a REAL UNION(s) would never take on a KNOWN DFR.

Only the east brain trust that formed usapa (bradford) and currently run usapa would.

Hummel is a ?


OTTER

 

[fodase]

Bump

Whats the problem scab? You think they would say anything else publIcly? You do realize the leonidas officers are sitting at the table don't you? Just look up usapas update to see who is in clt talking to Doug and apa. Btw u think Hummel coming to phx for meetings with leonidas was a fluke?

 

[luvthe9]

Nice work on the bolding.

Those fences are between the APA and USAPA.

Notice how they didn't say east, west, and APA.

Nic is it.

Sorry JUNEBUG, no transition agreemeent between east and west. Geeeez!!!!

 

[fodase]

OK, so just found out why the company is taking their position. Just like the loa 93 decision which the company had months in advance before usapy announced it, turns out the company has seen a rough draft of silver's decision which is being typed up pending the decision for oral arguments(Silver apparently is weighing those). This explains why leonidas is sitting at the table in clt today. It won't be long.