US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

The MB amendment says the company had a say.

 

[Move2CLT]

But there would have to be a vote.

Nope.

 

[Move2CLT]

The westerners movies are amusing, but accomplish nothing. The points are pointless. The only new move for Move2Clt will be to the new ladies rooms in the commuter terminal in CLT. That is it. Porcelain chairs, tile walls. She is as ignorant of the rest of them, tirades and rants, but no substance. It is extremely amusing watching the non movement. The American deal, if it goes, will derail the Nic and the move, maybe forever.

Shut up ClaxoMM.

You remind so much of Baghdad Bob and I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

Your own pilots cringe when you post.

It's over. Give it a rest.

 

[Move2CLT]

Charlotte-
You say they chose the Nic. Why is it not now the methodology used then? Very simple answer, but you refuse to answer. It is simple, they can't. It has to be in a CBA. And now there is a new bargaining agent that does not pro offer the Nic in anything. It is a new day, a new game, and the APA cannot carry it forward because it never is, never was.


9th Court of Appeals San Francisco-
7] Plaintiffs correctly note that certain West Pilots have
been furloughed, whereas they would still be working under
a single CBA implementing the Nicolau Award. It is, however,
at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.

So even if the company said the Nic is the method, the 9th says otherwise. All it takes is another trip to the same 9th, and the outcome is the same. Your statement is patently FALSE. To carry forward and be used by the APA the Nicolau Award has to be voted in successfully in a CBA. It cannot be used any other way by the APA. You have to get it voted in first. That is the ONLY way.

You haven't read the DJ transcripts at all, have you?

 

[pjirish317]

Nope.

Why not?

 

[EastUS1]

.....when he/usapa presents the LEGAL NIC across the table for final and binding SLI arbitration with APA....

OTTER

What would force them to do so? The nic stands in direct violation of the union's constitution and by laws....Just asking here..
Was it not the vaunted alpa that provided the lists for integration at US/AWA?

 

[fodase]

What would force them to do so? The nic stands in direct violation of the union's constitution and by laws....Just asking here..
Was it not the vaunted alpa that provided the lists for integration at US/AWA?

1- what came first, usapa or the Nic.? Does usapa's constitutions and bylaws trump an existing contract?

2- What happens if the apa takes over before usapa has a contract?

 

[EastUS1]

1- what came first, usapa or the Nic.? Does usapa's constitutions and bylaws trump an existing contract?

2- What happens if the apa takes over before usapa has a contract?

Why was it so tough just answering: "What would force them to do so?" Who submits seniority list(s) to any arbitrator(s)?
Per your 2: What does "before usapa has a contract" have to do with this? Are you really trying to assert that APA would pick, choose and submit any/all lists, and thus be essentially arbitrating with themselves?

It's all a rather unique set of circumstances. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out, assuming this merger happens of course, which I believe, more likely than not, will take place.

 

[Move2CLT]

Your posts have done more to harm the west than USAPA! Brilliant!

How so. Everything I've posted is online and most of it came from APA's Q&A.

So, it would be great if you gave a reason as to why you'd think that.

 

[Move2CLT]

Why not?

Because the APA, with its vast majority over USAPA, is going to become your union without a vote. And with that union comes its contract.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Why wouldn't there be a vote?

That's different than your earlier statement that there would have to be a vote...

1 - APA negotiates a contract with US.
2 - APA becomes the CBA for all US/AA pilots.
3 - The APA contract becomes the contract for all US/AA pilots without a ratification vote (and there is precedence for that).
OR
3 - The APA contract is voted on by all AA/US APA migs - who do you think carries that vote? Certainly not the east minority...

Jim

 

[jetjok1]

Kids and school.

Take a little while for everything to shake out as well Pi.

No rush. But I'll get out there.

Your welcome wherever your seniority can take you just like I'll get as close to the west coast as I can. After all, isn't that what's its all about.

 

[luvthe9]

Because the APA, with its vast majority over USAPA, is going to become your union without a vote. And with that union comes its contract.

Talking with some fairly senior AWA boys the other night in CLT, and MOVE you are right they don't care about the AOL kids it's that $172 they like, seniority is for sale. Just remember WYE RIVER, that was your big mistake.

 

[luvthe9]

Shut up ClaxoMM.

You remind so much of Baghdad Bob and I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

Your own pilots cringe when you post.

It's over. Give it a rest.

I luv to watch Claxon in action, gets you every time.

 

[cleardirect]

You may be right. IMO though, the tem sheet is with the APA, and would apply only to the AA employees. If/when this merger happens, if/when the piolts are absorbed into the APA, the APA would still have to enforce all 3 CBA's for the pilot groups until a transition agreement can be negotiated and ratified to bring all 3 groups under a single CBA. I meant years to negotiate a transition agreement.

Not if the us airways pilots went straight from our current contract to the new AA contract. No transition required.

Because of the numbers, us airways les than 35% of the total craft and class a vote is not even required. This could go very quickly.