US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

We?

Pi, its not "we", its "they". This isn't a dual ratification vote. This is the APA taking over USAPA and applying the contract to "we".

You're days of voting the direction of your career are done. You're on autopilot now and its the APA's leg.

Well, you may be right, but I'm having a hard time seeing it. APA is not our CBA and it's seems a way off until they could be. We'll see.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi,

I see you've taken chunks of time off so you probably missed the number of posts I've put up regarding this. But since I've taken a shine to your naiveté, I'll repost again.

Our contract is being negotiated as we speak. The NMB will declare us an STS by the end of the summer and will be a single C&C with the APA declared as our SBA. Their contract becomes ours.

How fast? I'm guess very early fall, which may be a bit optimistic, but Horton may not fight this off like everyone thinks.

My guess is that I'll have the option to move out to CLT in 2014.

Why 2014? Fodase says I'm right and our deal will be done this year, so why wouldn't move your a$$ on over here before. Don't get me wrong, we still don't want you but.........

 

[nevergiveup]

Pi,

I see you've taken chunks of time off so you probably missed the number of posts I've put up regarding this. But since I've taken a shine to your naiveté, I'll repost again.

Our contract is being negotiated as we speak. The NMB will declare us an STS by the end of the summer and will be a single C&C with the APA declared as our SBA. Their contract becomes ours.

How fast? I'm guess very early fall, which may be a bit optimistic, but Horton may not fight this off like everyone thinks.

My guess is that I'll have the option to move out to CLT in 2014.

Your posts have done more to harm the west than USAPA! Brilliant!

 

[Phoenix]

This just in.. the Mayans were wrong about 2012 being the end of the world. The antichrist has announced his arrival in 2014, events to move rapidly soon after. Just saying.

 

[Ames]

Your posts have done more to harm the west than USAPA! Brilliant!

How has he harmed the west? He tells the truth and backs it up. He may not be polite but he gets his point across. You may not like him but my guess is that he doesn't want you to like him.

 

[OTTER574]

Ok uhaul or fodase, lay this all out in a timeline for us, since you have the inside scoop. So, APA takes over. What then? Signs off on a new contract for east/west that concludes our merger and cements the Nic, then we go through MB with AA?

When do you get to bid CLT uhaul?

brat...Just maybe, when you fill out the APA application to join the/our new union, this may just be the time-line you're seeking??....Is this your question answered btw? Somehow I don't think sooo... :blink:

Next time you see hummel and especially that steve bradford guy, known as the founder of usapa = ustupid...Be sure and pat them on the back for a job well done....

OTTER

 

[pjirish317]

Pi,

I see you've taken chunks of time off so you probably missed the number of posts I've put up regarding this. But since I've taken a shine to your naiveté, I'll repost again.

Our contract is being negotiated as we speak. The NMB will declare us an STS by the end of the summer and will be a single C&C with the APA declared as our SBA. Their contract becomes ours.

How fast? I'm guess very early fall, which may be a bit optimistic, but Horton may not fight this off like everyone thinks.

My guess is that I'll have the option to move out to CLT in 2014.

I think you are half incorrect here with this statement. I believe that their contract becomes your only when a transition agreement has been negotiated and ratified. Only then will their contract become yours. Which we all know could take years to accomplish. Until such time the APA would be responsible for enforcing each of your groups CBA's.

 

[Black Swan]

Ok uhaul or fodase, lay this all out in a timeline for us, since you have the inside scoop. So, APA takes over. What then? Signs off on a new contract for east/west that concludes our merger and cements the Nic, then we go through MB with AA?

When do you get to bid CLT uhaul?

They can't cement the Nic. I highly doubt they would pick sides like this, and especially the Nic. It really doesn't make sense they would, if they could. It will be a complete re run of the process, with USAPA and APA as the "opponents" per se. The West does not have any autonomy.

And the following is why Judge Silver, like Judge Wake, will not be able to cram down anything Nicolau on anyone. They simply cannot interfere with internal union issues. If they do, then it is going to be subject to the same appeals court that rendered the last. The 9th.

Although we do not hold that a DFR claim based on a
union’s promotion of a policy is never ripe until that policy
is effectuated, we conclude that, in this case, there is too much
uncertainty standing in the way of effectuation of Plaintiffs’
harm to warrant judicial intervention at this stage. Cf. Sergeant
v. Inlandboatmen’s Union of the Pac., 346 F.3d 1196,
1200 (9th Cir. 2003) (examining Labor Management Reporting
and Disclosure Act issue “in light of the well-established
federal policy of avoiding unnecessary interference in the
internal affairs of unions and according considerable deference
to the interpretation and application of a union’s rules
and regulations”)

 

[Move2CLT]

Years for what? The APA already has a contract with Parker in the form of a term sheet. The APA has 1113c hanging over their heads too.

You really think they're going to drag this out?

Nope.

The delay is over. This isn't going to be dragged out.

 

[Move2CLT]

They can't cement the Nic. I highly doubt they would pick sides like this, and especially the Nic. It really doesn't make sense they would, if they could. It will be a complete re run of the process, with USAPA and APA as the "opponents" per se. The West does not have any autonomy.

And the following is why Judge Silver, like Judge Wake, will not be able to cram down anything Nicolau on anyone. They simply cannot interfere with internal union issues. If they do, then it is going to be subject to the same appeals court that rendered the last. The 9th.

Although we do not hold that a DFR claim based on a
union’s promotion of a policy is never ripe until that policy
is effectuated, we conclude that, in this case, there is too much
uncertainty standing in the way of effectuation of Plaintiffs’
harm to warrant judicial intervention at this stage. Cf. Sergeant
v. Inlandboatmen’s Union of the Pac., 346 F.3d 1196,
1200 (9th Cir. 2003) (examining Labor Management Reporting
and Disclosure Act issue “in light of the well-established
federal policy of avoiding unnecessary interference in the
internal affairs of unions and according considerable deference
to the interpretation and application of a union’s rules
and regulations”)

FYI. The company has already chosen the Nic.

Crack open the DJ transcripts.

 

[Move2CLT]

Why 2014? Fodase says I'm right and our deal will be done this year, so why wouldn't move your a$$ on over here before. Don't get me wrong, we still don't want you but.........

Kids and school.

Take a little while for everything to shake out as well Pi.

No rush. But I'll get out there.

 

[pjirish317]

Years for what? The APA already has a contract with Parker in the form of a term sheet. The APA has 1113c hanging over their heads too.

You really think they're going to drag this out?

Nope.

The delay is over. This isn't going to be dragged out.

You may be right. IMO though, the tem sheet is with the APA, and would apply only to the AA employees. If/when this merger happens, if/when the piolts are absorbed into the APA, the APA would still have to enforce all 3 CBA's for the pilot groups until a transition agreement can be negotiated and ratified to bring all 3 groups under a single CBA. I meant years to negotiate a transition agreement.

 

[Move2CLT]

You may be right. IMO though, the tem sheet is with the APA, and would apply only to the AA employees. If/when this merger happens, if/when the piolts are absorbed into the APA, the APA would still have to enforce all 3 CBA's for the pilot groups until a transition agreement can be negotiated and ratified to bring all 3 groups under a single CBA.

It will be a bridge agreement with minimal language. There will be no TA.

 

[A320 Driver]

Years for what? The APA already has a contract with Parker in the form of a term sheet. The APA has 1113c hanging over their heads too.

You really think they're going to drag this out?

Nope.

The delay is over. This isn't going to be dragged out.

What's to prevent APA from taking this "term sheet" and using it for leverage to get a better deal from AA management and telling Parker to take a hike?? You talk as if this is a done deal. I, for one, don't think so.

Driver...

 

[fodase]

You may be right. IMO though, the tem sheet is with the APA, and would apply only to the AA employees. If/when this merger happens, if/when the piolts are absorbed into the APA, the APA would still have to enforce all 3 CBA's for the pilot groups until a transition agreement can be negotiated and ratified to bring all 3 groups under a single CBA. I meant years to negotiate a transition agreement.

Hmm, what law says you have to have a transition agreement?