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If you consider him deluded have you signed a recall form yet?
Eric,

Here is for the guys that don't understand the process we are now in. First, there is complete transparency in committee appointees. It was announced in an Officer Update that the appointees for committees are listed on the yellow pages.

Now on to the bigger issue of putting West members on committees. Gary ran on the position that there was only one issue that we disagreed on with the West and that was seniority. Therefore, we need to get the West involved if we are to be successful going forward. That has the support of the majority of our pilots. It is also already having positive results.

Even on the merger committee it is now appropriate for a West member to be on the committee. The Nicolau Award will be defeated one of two ways. First, it will be defeated in court, either in PHX or at the 9th Circuit. Don't take my word for it, ask Mike Gillies what he has been told by our attorneys. The merger committee we appoint will have no bearing in how this court case plays out, it is in the hands of our attorneys. Second, it has no bearing in a merger with AA. Even the West would have to agree that it only resides in the TA between East and West as a negotiating position to be used in a joint East/West contract. That contract will never happen and the TA will drop dead. There will be a new TA between APA, USAPA, and LCC which dictates McCaskill- Bond Arbitration if we can not negotiate seniority. Therefore, the West has as much of a right to be represented at the table as the PHL pilots concerning the conditions and restrictions that we put forward. And by the way, there is going to be a PHL pilot on the committee. If you want to subject USAPA and our pilot group to a DFR lawsuit, go ahead and attempt to negotiate a new list with APA without West representation. Our constitutionally mandated position is DOH with conditions and restrictions.

Now, if someone still believes that one person on a committee can change the constitution and somehow get 2/3 of our pilot group to vote for the change, they are just not dealing with reality. It is nothing more than using fear to motivate our pilot group by taking advantage of their ignorance of the situation. In other words, more Cleary style politics of "creating a crisis so that we are the only ones that can save you". If someone is running on this, it is a sign of their ignorance of the situation or their willingness to lie to the pilot group for personal gain.

You can be fearful out of ignorance and be taken advantage of or you can have courage out of knowledge. I prefer the latter.

Jamie A. Weidner
 
"So, it goes without saying that the "PAIN' of an "unquestionably ripe DFR" is indeed the dollar amount of damages.

The correct 9th circuit court correct quote is as follows;

"The present impasse, in fact, could well be prolonged by prematurely resolving the West Pilots’
claim judicially at this point. Forced to bargain for the Nicolau Award, any
contract USAPA could negotiate would undoubtedly be rejected by its
membership. By deferring judicial intervention, we leave USAPA to bargain
in good faith pursuant to its DFR, with the interests of all members
— both East and West — in mind, under pain of an unquestionably ripe
DFR suit, once a contract is ratified."

"Forced to bargain for the Nicolau Award, any contract USAPA could negotiate would undoubtedly be rejected by its membership." Well...I don't know about others, but...that, to me, coming from an appellant court, would seem to be a rather shaky basis on which to loudly shout to any/the APA/whomever, that "The nic is IT!"......Time will tell, I guess.
 
The present impasse, in fact, could well be prolonged by prematurely resolving the West Pilots’
claim judicially at this point. Forced to bargain for the Nicolau Award, any
contract USAPA could negotiate would undoubtedly be rejected by its
membership. By deferring judicial intervention, we leave USAPA to bargain
in good faith pursuant to its DFR, with the interests of all members
— both East and West — in mind, under pain of an unquestionably ripe
DFR suit, once a contract is ratified."

And this comment shows how wrong the 9th was. The 9th claimed we can never know what the final "bargaining proposal" would be until it was ratified, and so we could not quantify damages, yet they were beyond sure that the Nic. could not be ratified? What sense does that make?
 
Sigh! In other words; you've got nothing to offer that magically paints PHX as any financial cornucopia....understood ;)
I need offer nothing - it's been repeatedly said by those who know the facts. That would be those responsible for running LCC, not you nor I. Unlike you and other, however, I can see the logic of why it's true. Your fantasy prevents you from seeing anything you don't like...

Jim
 
And this comment shows how wrong the 9th was. The 9th claimed we can never know what the final "bargaining proposal" would be until it was ratified, and so we could not quantify damages, yet they were beyond sure that the Nic. could not be ratified? What sense does that make?

The important part is they were beyond sure the Nic could not be ratified and is now part of case law.

Good luck with those damages.
 
Both are well aware of what the 9th Ct of Appeals said, about USAPA being free to bargain seniority. That is the final authority in this matter. They get that, western div pilots ignore it. To their continued frustration.

Could one man be any more clueless? Take another Prozac. Cleary.
 
"Forced to bargain for the Nicolau Award, any contract USAPA could negotiate would undoubtedly be rejected by its membership." Well...I don't know about others, but...that, to me, coming from an appellant court, would seem to be a rather shaky basis on which to loudly shout to any/the APA/whomever, that "The nic is IT!"......Time will tell, I guess.

You're going to look really funny holding your tin cup out :lol: looking for donations to form the east's version of AOL. When the possibility of usapa exists no longer as a CBA, money from the east and west will dry up and fast... :eek:

Just get the Company and possibly your new union, you might have heard of them? They're called APA..... :p To go along with your east usapa's illegal quest/$gamble$.

Don't forget eastus1 an old Chinese proverb....majority rules and equals the APA... ;) if this merger goes through.

OTTER
 
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