US Pilots Labor Discussion

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prechilill said:
So what you are saying is ALPA underestimated how many frustrated and stupid pilots are on the east side?
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Prater and the other ALPA boys and girls could have called them pedophiles, scabs, clowns, and thieves if it made them feel better, but they still couldn't count.
 
Code Name V said:
Whats truly amazing and entertaining in watching you westicles ####, moan and throw tantrums at 'virtually' anything and everything USAPA. The more you do, the more we realize what a great investment it has been. I've never seen a greater mass temper tantrum by a bunch of group losers. Keep bitching, boys. It makes my day. Even more humorous is your belief in the Munster... There's a credible source to rely on....

V
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You people are a laugh a minute. We mock you. The industry mocks you. One mis-step after another and history shows it. The Barney Fife's of aviation, pure comedy. Verify this verify that. trigger this, trigger that. You probably need a trigger to find a light switch.

Keep on giving us the material and we'll keep laughing at you.

Professionals indeed. :lol:
 
USA320Pilot said:
USAPA President's Message: May 27, 2011

USAPA files lawsuit against US Airways alleging Status Quo violations

Fellow Pilots,

Today your union took yet another aggressive action to accomplish the goal of holding US Airways accountable for its continuing and egregious violations of Federal Labor Laws. In furtherance of that effort, today we filed a complaint against defendant US Airways in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York alleging, among other matters, that the Company has violated its duty to maintain the status quo during negotiations as required by the Railway Labor Act and to exert every reasonable effort to negotiate a contract.
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No doubt the company is violating Federal Labor Laws. There are now 510 outstanding grievances that the RLA requires to be settled expeditiously. At the current pace set by the company that is a 26 year backlog. There are also on average 145 new grievances being filed per year for status quo contract violations. Obviously when your new grievance won't be heard for 26+ years that is illegally circumventing the RLA grievance process. The RLA requires reasonably prompt settlement of outstanding grievances. I would expect as a remedy the court will through an injunction put the company on a strict timeline to settle the outstanding grievances.

The company is also negotiating in bad faith towards a new contract. It is quite clear the company does not want a new pilot contract and is stalling contract negotiations just like they have stalled the outstanding grievance settlements. That is a direct violation of labor law. The company is required to negotiate in good faith to reach a contract agreement. Section 22 is a required section for section 6 negotiations and the company must by law negotiate in good faith to reach an agreement with USAPA on all required contract sections. Refusing to negotiate section 22 or insisting on a proposal that the company knows will be rejected is bad faith and illegal. There are multiple ways to address through negotiation all parties section 22 concerns that would comply with all laws including DFR laws.

The company has denied that they have been stalling grievance and contract settlements and now they will have to prove it in court. With 6 years of zero progress on a pilot contract and a 26 year backlog of grievances the company is going to have lots of tap dancing and "splaining" to do in the New York District Court. And before you company cheerleaders get started blaming USAPA ain't going to work.....

underpants
 
BoeingBoy said:
Ya know the military - if they wanted the troops to have an opinion they'd issue them one. Some vets get out but still get their opinions issued by headquarters...the one in CLT in this case.

Jim
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Yeah, I know. I spent a good portion of my life there. I'm just surprised MM wasn't fragged.
 
HPearlyretiree said:
The entitlement east, so blinded by hate and so butthurt by their past. They luck out by being bailed out by AWA, it keeps them from working at Wal-Mart, but they just have to pee in their coffee.

They deserve all the angst, they created it!
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The west boys had it made. All they had to do was to agree to a fence that would be half way over by now and ALPA would still be here. But they wanted it all and decided to take their chance with USAPA. Hope you boys are happy! You asked for it! Don't feel bad, I should have sold my options when United was going to merge with us. Greedy me kept them.....
 
nevergiveup said:
The west boys had it made. All they had to do was to agree to a fence that would be half way over by now and ALPA would still be here. But they wanted it all and decided to take their chance with USAPA. Hope you boys are happy! You asked for it! Don't feel bad, I should have sold my options when United was going to merge with us. Greedy me kept them.....
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The west offered fences. Seven year fences to be exact.

The east turned them down.

You should ask them why they did so.
 
toganoflex said:
The west offered fences. Seven year fences to be exact.

The east turned them down.

You should ask them why they did so.
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By then (Wye River) the East reps were so confident of their DOH cram-down scheme, they seemed to feel empowered to offer a virtual DOH, take it or leave it. West left it and then we were off to the races. Three and a half years later,the only mystery in this ordeal is how so many grown men believed such utter bull####. Reality is hitting them squarely between the eyes and they still don't get it. They're getting the fact that none of what was promised is working out, and that's causing the stress and anger in the individuals which the SPC talked about a few weeks ago and now Cleary acknowledged yesterday, but who gives a rip? Certainly the company doesn't and neither does the West. Enjoy LOA93 fellas
 
Captain Underpants said:
No doubt the company is violating Federal Labor Laws. There are now 510 outstanding grievances that the RLA requires to be settled expeditiously. At the current pace set by the company that is a 26 year backlog. There are also on average 145 new grievances being filed per year for status quo contract violations. Obviously when your new grievance won't be heard for 26+ years that is illegally circumventing the RLA grievance process. The RLA requires reasonably prompt settlement of outstanding grievances. I would expect as a remedy the court will through an injunction put the company on a strict timeline to settle the outstanding grievances.

The company is also negotiating in bad faith towards a new contract. It is quite clear the company does not want a new pilot contract and is stalling contract negotiations just like they have stalled the outstanding grievance settlements. That is a direct violation of labor law. The company is required to negotiate in good faith to reach a contract agreement. Section 22 is a required section for section 6 negotiations and the company must by law negotiate in good faith to reach an agreement with USAPA on all required contract sections. Refusing to negotiate section 22 or insisting on a proposal that the company knows will be rejected is bad faith and illegal. There are multiple ways to address through negotiation all parties section 22 concerns that would comply with all laws including DFR laws.

The company has denied that they have been stalling grievance and contract settlements and now they will have to prove it in court. With 6 years of zero progress on a pilot contract and a 26 year backlog of grievances the company is going to have lots of tap dancing and "splaining" to do in the New York District Court. And before you company cheerleaders get started blaming USAPA ain't going to work.....

underpants
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Of course USAPA is to blame - TP to be more exact.

And Cleary filed this suit without even consulting the BPR!!!!!

And he proved ripeness as well for the company's DJ - bravo!!! The company saw this coming and stated so when they filed their DJ a few months back. Cleary stepped right into it.

I can't wait until Judge Silver gets it.

You'll be working under LOA93 for quite a while still. Remember what Doug said? "No seniority, no contract."

USAPA is the best thing that could ever have happened for the west.

Thanks Mike!
 
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