US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

Mutually powered by all seats??? What is that supposed to mean?

Mission Two= figure out how to pay West pilots for damages caused by three years of Mission One, when the Prime Objective (steal West jobs) is shut down by injunctive order.

It means that left seat and right support USAPA and there cause..
You guys attack the EAST FO's but many CAPT on the EAST will lose valuable seniority by the NIC.

Most of them don't want to work weekends for the west of there careers as WEST go ahead of them.

 

[fodase]

How so Aqua...?

Are you going to tell me that the lawsuit filed today in the district court of New York alleging violations of the status quo is not about the change in ACARS block logic?

PS.. glad to hear the brochures are getting positive feedback.

Because this proves that what the company is claiming in the DJ is true. Company can't negotiate without knowing if the Nic. is it or not, this lawsuit makes the company's case that they need a DJ, which incidentally, the scabs desperately want dismissed because no court in the land will give usair immunity.

 

[crazystnic]

Good JOB USAPA> with the lawsuit today.. I was so sick an tired of ALPA and there laze fare attitude towards the company..
remember the dinners and toasting scotch...

USAPA treats the company just as they deserve to be... The enemy...

If the company wants to change the culture then fine we can do that.. but I highly doubt that will happen with Parker and Kirby in power.

in the mean time Parker keeps spewing his garbage..

USAIRWAYS actually has a revenue advantage...

and they also could grow LGA if they wanted to have a good NY hub

Instead they run and complain how you need to take less because they can't manage...

Keep your eye on the ball...
they lie

 

[fodase]

Where did she say they are being harmed everyday?

Read the transcript, she says it loud and clear, the west is being harmed everyday but the 9th ruled we won't know how much harm until a contract without the Nic. is in place.

 

[Pi brat]

Read the transcript, she says it loud and clear, the west is being harmed everyday but the 9th ruled we won't know how much harm until a contract without the Nic. is in place.

Quote it for me, I certainly missed that. Are we reading the same document?

 

[aquagreen73s]

How so Aqua...?

Are you going to tell me that the lawsuit filed today in the district court of New York alleging violations of the status quo is not about the change in ACARS block logic?

PS.. glad to hear the brochures are getting positive feedback.

The company has an obligation to negotiate under the RLA. In their dec action complaint, they painted the picture where USAPA wants to negotiate seniority but the trouble is, negotiating away from the Nicolau has already been found by one jury to be a DFR. So to negotiate with USAPA exposes the company to a hybrid DFR from the West. If they don't negotiate, then the company alleges USAPA will take legal action against the company in addition to suffering job actions by the East. This stupid a$$ lawsuit by USAPA coupled with their stupid a$$ safety campaign do nothing but prove that the company has a ripe claim. Way to go morons.

 

[aquagreen73s]

LOA 93 Pay Duration Grievance Timeline (Show Me the Money Part II): May 27, 2011

Fellow Pilot’s,

The record on the LOA 93 Pay Duration Arbitration officially closed on June 11th of last year. Almost a full year has gone by since all of the evidence has been in the hands of Arbitrator Kasher. The effective date of the dispute was January 1, 2010.

Two legitimate questions need to be asked and answered; 1.Is the lack of a decision announcement by now, normal? 2. Would it be proper to ask the arbitrator when to expect one?

I worked as the PIT Grievance Chairman and MEC Grievance Chairman for nine years from 1993-2002. After that I sat on the System Board for six years. I have been involved in far too many arbitrations to count, either as the grievance representative pursuing the case, as a system board member with the arbitrator, or as a witness. I have been involved in numerous arbitrations with Arbitrator Kasher going back to the 90’s. I feel I am more than qualified to answer the two questions above.

Q1. No, this length of time is not normal. Usually a draft is out 2-4 months after the record closes. By all accounts this has not occurred in the LOA 93 arbitration, after more than 11 months. Recall that USAPA’s own update as the hearing ended February 4, 2010 predicted a decision around the September, 2010 time frame. That would have been perfectly in line with the 2-4 month time period after the record was expected to close.

Please understand that an arbitrator’s decision first appears to the interested parties through the System Board Members in draft form; simply a first pass to allow the parties to comment and to correct any errors of fact or argument. Later, after a possible Executive Session or two (face to face), a Final and Signed decision is issued. Sometimes a final resolution may take longer as the two sides haggle over what would be the proper remedy with the arbitrator retaining jurisdiction; but should we be at almost a year without even a draft? Never in my experience has the process just to receive a draft taken this long.

Q2. Yes, we should ask the arbitrator when to expect a decision. Look, Kasher is a pro. He won’t read anything negative into such a request. He knows this case is a big one and is of huge interest to both parties... Hell, he’s probably wondering why we haven’t asked him by now! What message is sent to him by our silence?

What about the argument that such a request may piss him off? Arbitrators are independent contractors. They are not federal judges with salaries and retirement bennies. They only get paid when they work.

To get steady and recurring work from either a union, or a company, BOTH of those parties have to be consistently happy with the arbitrator’s work product and service. In short, a successful arbitrator must take great care to make both sides happy. Once I understood this simple principle, some things I saw during arbitrations made more sense. Numerous times I saw the company take an “aggressive” tone with an arbitrator. Each time I felt the company was digging a hole that would surely help us. Wrong! Each time the arbitrator backed down and ruled for the company as he strove to maintain his “mutual acceptability” for future possible selection.

Again, Kasher is a pro. Asking the question when? will not make him upset and won’t affect the decision. So let’s ask the question and get things moving. We’ve been mired in quick sand on too many fronts for too long now.

Oh, perhaps you recall that USAPA Grievance update you got last fall, implying that an impending surgery for the arbitrator was the probable reason for a delay in our LOA 93 decision?? As of last month, April, 2011, surgery had not been performed on Mr. Kasher...only on your wallets. Mr. Kasher has been working virtually full time since that update came out six months ago. All that work and still, no result for the US Airways Pilots! Recent intel, from other, more reliable sources has it that he’s actually about to get his contemplated surgery. Will this provide yet another excuse? Once again, we need to ask the question.

Fraternally,


Doug Mowery
A-320 CLT

It's simple logic. If there had been anything in the draft opinion favorable to USAPA, we all would have heard about it. There is ZERO coming to USAPA. LOA93 is a total loss. We had more than three-quarters of the contract closed out in 2007. The STD just TA'd by the NAC is nothing more than capitulation. So, the choice for the East are two fold: (1) contract that includes provisions as good or better than what the West has now, plus the NIC, or (2) a contract not much different from LOA93 plus the NIC. Either way, you're getting the NIC.

 

[A320 Driver]

Because this proves that what the company is claiming in the DJ is true. Company can't negotiate without knowing if the Nic. is it or not, this lawsuit makes the company's case that they need a DJ, which incidentally, the scabs desperately want dismissed because no court in the land will give usair immunity.

Hogwash.
Seniority is one section...what about the rest? So you are buying into Parkers wanting this settled before anything meaningful happens in negotiations?

Very convienient...

Driver B)

PHX Crew News: Doug, we're all GOOD little boys and girls.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

What's the matter? He can't speak up for himself and ask for proof? You have to do it for him? Sounds like sticking up to me.

And spare us the excuse about Jim always doing it. No one says you shouldn't do it. But don't start asking for proof of an accusation leveled against Nos, and then try say you are not sticking up for him. He is the king of demanding a response to his ignorant, lying, accusations, and ignoring questions posed of him. It's exactly why he is irrelevant and has the reputation he has. Minus 42 and counting. Yesterday it was minus 38. He's in a tailspin.

Now let me get this straight, it's a weboard, anyone can click plus or minus with an axe to grind, and your talking about a meter on his sign in, UAL deserves you and LEE MOAK! MM! Heck you probably are a guest rep for WEST crew news events!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Oh yea, you see we do want a contract just like AFA,! MM!

 

[cactusboy53]

Oh yea, you see we do want a contract just like AFA,! MM!

If you want contract that badly why on earth did you (USAPA leadership) & the NAC decide to start contract negotiations from square one. There was a suggestion from a previous NAC rep to get the company to agree previously TA'd sections. Real men of genius!

 

[luvn737s]

wrong,,
patience Doug..
let the guy finish the job and then we will know the outcome...
you are sounding like a westie.

So if usapa isn't willing to do anything to earn their dues, why not offer a resolution to suspend dues payments from the west pilots until judge Silver rules? Better yet, suspend them until a T/A is presented for a vote.

 

[Metroyet]

If you want contract that badly why on earth did you (USAPA leadership) & the NAC decide to start contract negotiations from square one.

Because these idiots are pathological liars. Remember "watch what they do, not what they say? Yeah. No sh*t. They've buried themselves in so much crap they've become paralyzed. Nobody is driving the ship, they have no clue as to what to do next and all the while Lee Seham is there with the exorbitantly priced "answers". Answers that never get anyone ANYWHERE.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If you want contract that badly why on earth did you (USAPA leadership) & the NAC decide to start contract negotiations from square one. There was a suggestion from a previous NAC rep to get the company to agree previously TA'd sections. Real men of genius!

Ronnie, boy genius , because that suggestion would have doomed a proposal, to the same point, SQUARE UNO, get over it! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Luv your WESTIE bravado!, put up or shut up!, quit hiding behind your suzie's skirt and organize a card drive, you vets of PLAYSTATION on this Memorial day make us REAL VETS want to puke! MM!