US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

The company has an obligation to negotiate under the RLA. In their dec action complaint, they painted the picture where USAPA wants to negotiate seniority but the trouble is, negotiating away from the Nicolau has already been found by one jury to be a DFR. So to negotiate with USAPA exposes the company to a hybrid DFR from the West. If they don't negotiate, then the company alleges USAPA will take legal action against the company in addition to suffering job actions by the East. This stupid a$$ lawsuit by USAPA coupled with their stupid a$$ safety campaign do nothing but prove that the company has a ripe claim. Way to go morons.

I was being sarcastic.

Cleary's letter is vague and only says they filed the lawsuiit over violations of status quo. No mention of how status quo was violated.

The only violation I am aware of is the change in ACARS block logic, which favored the east pilots and hurt the West pilots, so I doubt usapa brought it up from the bottom of the grievence list to a Federal court docket.

Everybody knows the company's suit is ripe. The problem arises that it so closely mirrors Addington, and was even foretold by Wake and Bybee during Addington, that the scabs think they are going to get a pass because of Addington, which they might in a way, if Silver tells "johnny come lately" they missed their chance.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA President's Message: May 27, 2011

USAPA files lawsuit against US Airways alleging Status Quo violations

Fellow Pilots,

Today your union took yet another aggressive action to accomplish the goal of holding US Airways accountable for its continuing and egregious violations of Federal Labor Laws. In furtherance of that effort, today we filed a complaint against defendant US Airways in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York alleging, among other matters, that the Company has violated its duty to maintain the status quo during negotiations as required by the Railway Labor Act and to exert every reasonable effort to negotiate a contract. A copy of our complaint will be posted shortly in the legal library on the USAPA web site.

Each of us is painfully aware that remaining mired in bankruptcy era contracts some six years from emergence has created a level of hardship on our families that is unsustainable. US Airways management has used every tool in the box, many of them illegal, to find ways to cause this interminable delay all while we have remained diligent in the performance of our daily duties and steadfastly complied with each and every one of our legal obligations. The honesty, moral character and integrity that we have applied to our obligations during negotiations have been met with exactly the opposite from Management. They have used every opportunity to stall, delay and attempt to exhaust the resources of our union and our pilot group and it is time for it to stop. One recourse that we have to correct this ongoing wrong is to look to the legal system for relief and to get our negotiations back onto the level playing field that the statute requires.

Our complaint alleges:

- That the defendants have violated their duty to maintain the status quo during the negotiations

- That the defendants have violated the legal obligation to exert every reasonable effort to reach agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement

- That the defendants have violated the legal obligation to exert every reasonable effort to resolve disputes arising out of the application of the existing collective bargaining agreements

- Further details will be emerging soon and I will be communicating with you regularly to update you on our progress.

I am sure that you have watched Management go to extraordinary lengths to fabricate a record that is exactly contrary to the truth of their protracted efforts to violate the law for their personal gain, including attempting to intimidate our members for raising legitimate safety concerns. In response, I can only urge you to stay as focused as you have always been on the competent accomplishment of your work and to be as observant of our legal obligations as you have always been. I have no doubt that Management will respond in a punitive fashion to this demand for statutory compliance by taking hostages with the discipline mechanisms that are at their disposal. I can promise you that when they do, your union will respond swiftly and aggressively to defend and protect your jobs and your rights.

I recognize that each of us has absolutely had enough of the apparent unfair advantage that Management has been causing to exist all while we have maintained an honest and diligent approach to negotiations over the past years. We promised you that your union would act aggressively to defend your rights, which is precisely what we are doing with this latest action. We will continue to do so with only your best interests in mind, unconflicted by others competing for the negotiating capital that belongs to you.

Thank you for your continued resolve and for your focus on the goals of our union. I am confident that we will stay focused on our goals; I therefore remain steadfastly certain that they will be achieved.

Sincerely,

Captain Michael Cleary
President


USA320Pilot comments: Mike Cleary said, "I have no doubt that Management will respond in a punitive fashion to this demand for statutory compliance by taking hostages with the discipline mechanisms that are at their disposal. I can promise you that when they do, your union will respond swiftly and aggressively to defend and protect your jobs and your rights."

USAPA and the Company are meeting with the Mediator 1-week per month and the NAC uses the previous week for preparation. With the need to travel on Monday and Friday the NAC is only working about 8 days per month on full LOA 95 or Stipend FPL. Why speed up the process when they have such a great gig going with their "gravy train."

Furthermore, when US Airways terminates some pilots as Mike Cleary predicted it will be interesting to see how the pilot group sentiment changes when they watch their colleagues and their family suffer with no income and no health care during the 12-18 month grievance process. Mike Cleary has a relative amount of indemity, but line pilots do not.

 

[BoeingBoy]

"Each of us is painfully aware that remaining mired in bankruptcy era contracts some six years from emergence has created a level of hardship on our families that is unsustainable."

How can this be when the easties here all say there is no hardship from LOA 93?

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

"Each of us is painfully aware that remaining mired in bankruptcy era contracts some six years from emergence has created a level of hardship on our families that is unsustainable."

How can this be when the easties here all say there is no hardship from LOA 93?

Jim

Proof Jim. Show us where every eastie said that. Isn't that YOUR game?

 

[Pi brat]

"Each of us is painfully aware that remaining mired in bankruptcy era contracts some six years from emergence has created a level of hardship on our families that is unsustainable."

How can this be when the easties here all say there is no hardship from LOA 93?

Jim

About your quote in your tag line. I've asked this before but either got no answer, or I missed it. What does she mean by the 9th? Judge Wakes court or the SFO court? I took it to mean Judge Wake's court because it is in the 9th circuit, but many west friends of mine took it to mean the the appeals court said it and I don't remember reading that.

 

[Pi brat]

Do any of you watch the PHX F/A crew news sessions? I find that they have better questions, and are much more effective than the pilots. The last one had a comment about hot airplanes on the ground in PHX. The speaker seemed to indicate that pilots wouldn't start the APU until 15 min prior, even if the cabin was hot, ignoring the safety, passenger comfort, schedule, then efficency guidlines. True?

I liked the one where the guy took Parker on about a comment in the CLT paper about cabin air contamination instead of blowing it off as a certain west pilot did on here a while back. Good job my friend, look forward to flying with you.

 

[Metroyet]

Congratulations Eastholes!!!

You got the union you wanted and voted for. Great. Btw, who is willing to be the sacrificial lamb that Kim Jong cleary is promising be slaughtered?

Honestly, THIS is "better" than ALPA was?

You uscaba voting Half wits deserve the union and the paychecks you've so foolishly persued!

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Congratulations Eastholes!!!

You got the union you wanted and voted for. Great. Btw, who is willing to be the sacrificial lamb that Kim Jong cleary is promising be slaughtered?

Honestly, THIS is "better" than ALPA was?

You uscaba voting Half wits deserve the union and the paychecks you've so foolishly persued!

The entitlement east, so blinded by hate and so butthurt by their past. They luck out by being bailed out by AWA, it keeps them from working at Wal-Mart, but they just have to pee in their coffee.

They deserve all the angst, they created it!

 

[luvn737s]

I have no doubt that Management will respond in a punitive fashion to this demand for statutory compliance by taking hostages with the discipline mechanisms that are at their disposal.

Hey Mike, you moron, when you play Russian Roulette, you're supposed to point the gun at your OWN head!

Oh, and can you update me on the safety campaign that is soildly grounded in perpetuating the most distracting division between the pilot groups, and now has pilots squarely in the crosshairs due to your perpetual need to grandstand and demand relevance when you clearly have none?

 

[Code Name V]

Hey Mike, you moron, when you play Russian Roulette, you're supposed to point the gun at your OWN head!

Oh, and can you update me on the safety campaign that is soildly grounded in perpetuating the most distracting division between the pilot groups, and now has pilots squarely in the crosshairs due to your perpetual need to grandstand and demand relevance when you clearly have none?

Whats truly amazing and entertaining in watching you westicles ####, moan and throw tantrums at 'virtually' anything and everything USAPA. The more you do, the more we realize what a great investment it has been. I've never seen a greater mass temper tantrum by a bunch of group losers. Keep bitching, boys. It makes my day. Even more humorous is your belief in the Munster... There's a credible source to rely on....

V

 

[767one]

Congratulations Eastholes!!!

You got the union you wanted and voted for. Great. Btw, who is willing to be the sacrificial lamb that Kim Jong cleary is promising be slaughtered?

Honestly, THIS is "better" than ALPA was?

You uscaba voting Half wits deserve the union and the paychecks you've so foolishly persued!

Metroyet,

"This is better than alpa was?" ..........Hell yes!


Regards,


Bob

 

[luvthe9]

Metroyet,

"This is better than alpa was?" ..........Hell yes!


Regards,


Bob

I agree way better than ALPO, it's going to take some time for Metro to come around, he is a very young angry F/O. Have a good weekend all, I have to finish up a lot of yard work.

 

[Phoenix]

Proof Jim. Show us where every eastie said that. Isn't that YOUR game?

Your editor made a small format oversight. But its good now.

 

[Phoenix]

Another pathetic showing in phl. How many pilots are based there? More than 90 right?

Only 500 (from the whole airline) showed up at Herndon when the Nic came out and look what happened.

ALPA whistled while walking through the grave yard and said, "It's just 500 pilots, pretty pathetic showing. How many pilots are in that airline?"

 

[prechilill]

Only 500 (from the whole airline) showed up at Herndon when the Nic came out and look what happened.

ALPA whistled while walking through the grave yard and said, "It's just 500 pilots, pretty pathetic showing. How many pilots are in that airline?"

So what you are saying is ALPA underestimated how many frustrated and stupid pilots are on the east side?