US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Ames]

Take a good look at Parker. He looks like he just walked into the circus midway and is looking for the nearest exit. I am actually starting to feel sorry for the guy.

Parker is just used to easthole limpdicks hanging on to his every word when he is telling them what they want to hear. When they don't hear what they want they take out newspaper ads and claim the company is unsafe and, of course, burn extra fuel and screw up the schedules of the pax they are responsible for. You know, cowardly stuff.

West pilots look him in the eye and tell him how they feel and he doesn't know whether to shite or wind his watch.

I'm glad that you feel sorry for him. Just don't look over your shoulder when he finally crams it in. We'll see how you feel then.

 

[aquagreen73s]

PI got a free ticket into a major airline job at the tender age of 24- no possible way to even build a 1000 hours of turbine PIC in that time frame. But alas, his free ticket into the West seniority system isn't going to pan out and as you can see with his exchanges with Boeing Boy his is a little angry about that. That's life I guess...

If not applicable to PI, it's certainly applicable to many AFOs who coincidentally are the ones powering USAPA.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Update for May 27, 2011: Quick Fact #164: Why Doesn't USAPA Tell You The Whole Truth? Part 1.

Dear Subscriber,

Update for May 27, 2011:

Quick Fact #164: Why Doesn't USAPA Tell You The Whole Truth? Recognizing that it's tough to "read between the lines" when you've been deprived all of the "lines", will USAPA ever tell the whole truth and let you conduct your own Risk-Benefit analysis of USAPA's so-called strategy?

Do the pilots want the truth, solutions to our problems, a contract and a brighter future? Is it time for a Card Drive in which EVERY pilot can vote, in private,
to determine a path to our collective future?

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Three years of USAPA and nothing to show for it. Will you retire without seeing another raise because USAPA can't get it done? What USAPA excuse will it be today and do they have a lanyard for that?

 

[luvthe9]

Update for May 27, 2011: Quick Fact #164: Why Doesn't USAPA Tell You The Whole Truth? Part 1.

Dear Subscriber,

Update for May 27, 2011:

Quick Three years of USAPA and nothing to show for it. Will you retire without seeing another raise because USAPA can't get it done? What USAPA excuse will it be today and do they have a lanyard for that?

Why do you still wast your time with all your Bulls**t, no one listens to you, you are one real nut case. You should have been fired in December for your last little stunt.

 

[traderjake]

Why do you still wast your time with all your Bulls**t, no one listens to you, you are one real nut case. You should have been fired in December for your last little stunt.

Still waiting for the first of your many predictions to come true, including pilots going to jail.

Maybe you should wait before attacking someone else's credibility.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Why do you still wast your time with all your Bulls**t, no one listens to you, you are one real nut case. You should have been fired in December for your last little stunt.

They're not listening to CM. CM has nothing to do with this. What pilots on the East are listening to is the message. How do I know this? For every negative on the Leonidas brochures, there's a positive. It's running one for one. USAPA in its current form is a complete failure. Enough get it. Enough understand that a change must be made. How that change is made and when it is made is undetermined. But mind you, change is coming...and you can't stop it

 

[cactusboy53]

Yesterday the low life's head cheerleader Boeing Boy posted a pilot's personal information, including a company payroll number on this public forum. That post was originally #15194.

He was questioned as to where he got the information in the first place, and why he posted another persons personal information on a public forum, by two people.

Today that post #15194 has been removed, along with mine and the other post taking him to task for making the post.

The questions still remain -

> How did Boeing Boy get his hands on a US Airways 2011 seniority list?

> And what consequences does he face for posting pilots personal information on a public forum?

Boeing Driver

Oh jeez here we go again! "The sky is falling!" You kids really need a new play book. You want free subscription to some sort of data-theft company?

 

[Pi brat]

So..... your daddy didn't get you the job when you were 24 years old? (and a rookie)

No, he didn't.

 

[Pi brat]

What's the matter? He can't speak up for himself and ask for proof? You have to do it for him? Sounds like sticking up to me.

And spare us the excuse about Jim always doing it. No one says you shouldn't do it. But don't start asking for proof of an accusation leveled against Nos, and then try say you are not sticking up for him. He is the king of demanding a response to his ignorant, lying, accusations, and ignoring questions posed of him. It's exactly why he is irrelevant and has the reputation he has. Minus 42 and counting. Yesterday it was minus 38. He's in a tailspin.

He got the wrong guy genius. I tried to tell him in a pm but he wouldn't listen and labeled the wrong guy. The guy he labeled did answer, it was removed.

You and the westies have followed a false prophet.

 

[fodase]

"THE COURT: But you know how you could avoid being sued by the West Pilots; and if you negotiated with the union such that they decided to give up something in order that you avoid a suit by the West Pilots, isn't that essentially what negotiations are all about?"

So this is where judge silver says the Nic. doesn't have to be used huh? Wow your lack of reasoning skills is astounding. So PI, for what reason would the west sue the company? Are you to thick and simple minded clown to reason this question into a coherent answer?

 

[BoeingBoy]

They can't comprehend that the something the union might give up is DOH, for a price of course. Then the west wouldn't file a suit.

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

LOA 93 Pay Duration Grievance Timeline (Show Me the Money Part II): May 27, 2011

Fellow Pilot’s,

The record on the LOA 93 Pay Duration Arbitration officially closed on June 11th of last year. Almost a full year has gone by since all of the evidence has been in the hands of Arbitrator Kasher. The effective date of the dispute was January 1, 2010.

Two legitimate questions need to be asked and answered; 1.Is the lack of a decision announcement by now, normal? 2. Would it be proper to ask the arbitrator when to expect one?

I worked as the PIT Grievance Chairman and MEC Grievance Chairman for nine years from 1993-2002. After that I sat on the System Board for six years. I have been involved in far too many arbitrations to count, either as the grievance representative pursuing the case, as a system board member with the arbitrator, or as a witness. I have been involved in numerous arbitrations with Arbitrator Kasher going back to the 90’s. I feel I am more than qualified to answer the two questions above.

Q1. No, this length of time is not normal. Usually a draft is out 2-4 months after the record closes. By all accounts this has not occurred in the LOA 93 arbitration, after more than 11 months. Recall that USAPA’s own update as the hearing ended February 4, 2010 predicted a decision around the September, 2010 time frame. That would have been perfectly in line with the 2-4 month time period after the record was expected to close.

Please understand that an arbitrator’s decision first appears to the interested parties through the System Board Members in draft form; simply a first pass to allow the parties to comment and to correct any errors of fact or argument. Later, after a possible Executive Session or two (face to face), a Final and Signed decision is issued. Sometimes a final resolution may take longer as the two sides haggle over what would be the proper remedy with the arbitrator retaining jurisdiction; but should we be at almost a year without even a draft? Never in my experience has the process just to receive a draft taken this long.

Q2. Yes, we should ask the arbitrator when to expect a decision. Look, Kasher is a pro. He won’t read anything negative into such a request. He knows this case is a big one and is of huge interest to both parties... Hell, he’s probably wondering why we haven’t asked him by now! What message is sent to him by our silence?

What about the argument that such a request may piss him off? Arbitrators are independent contractors. They are not federal judges with salaries and retirement bennies. They only get paid when they work.

To get steady and recurring work from either a union, or a company, BOTH of those parties have to be consistently happy with the arbitrator’s work product and service. In short, a successful arbitrator must take great care to make both sides happy. Once I understood this simple principle, some things I saw during arbitrations made more sense. Numerous times I saw the company take an “aggressive” tone with an arbitrator. Each time I felt the company was digging a hole that would surely help us. Wrong! Each time the arbitrator backed down and ruled for the company as he strove to maintain his “mutual acceptability” for future possible selection.

Again, Kasher is a pro. Asking the question when? will not make him upset and won’t affect the decision. So let’s ask the question and get things moving. We’ve been mired in quick sand on too many fronts for too long now.

Oh, perhaps you recall that USAPA Grievance update you got last fall, implying that an impending surgery for the arbitrator was the probable reason for a delay in our LOA 93 decision?? As of last month, April, 2011, surgery had not been performed on Mr. Kasher...only on your wallets. Mr. Kasher has been working virtually full time since that update came out six months ago. All that work and still, no result for the US Airways Pilots! Recent intel, from other, more reliable sources has it that he’s actually about to get his contemplated surgery. Will this provide yet another excuse? Once again, we need to ask the question.

Fraternally,


Doug Mowery
A-320 CLT

 

[767jetz]

He got the wrong guy genius. I tried to tell him in a pm but he wouldn't listen and labeled the wrong guy. The guy he labeled did answer, it was removed.

You and the westies have followed a false prophet.

Hey genius... I didn't comment on the validity of anything. Did I? I just pointed out that you are indeed sticking up for Nos when you cried that you didn't? Care to address that? Or are you just changing the subject again?

 

[fodase]

They can't comprehend that the something the union might give up is DOH, for a price of course. Then the west wouldn't file a suit.

Jim

Jim,

That is exactly what judge Silver was saying, yet these clowns come up with these crazy interpretations. Judge Silver gave examples of what the company could do to get the east to accept the nic (i.e offering full pay for east retirees) this is on the record just like the fact she said the west is being harmed every day. I wonder what that last statement means when and if we get to dfr2?

 

[crazystnic]

wrong,,
patience Doug..
let the guy finish the job and then we will know the outcome...
you are sounding like a westie.