US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Wow, Good post Sumadarson and Swan was right on the NIC is long gone. Once the west figures it out (still might be awhile for them) we can get back on track. I bet Jetz is running fo cover now!!!!

 

[traderjake]

There's a reason it's called binding arbitration.

We'll see if the courts let you weasel out of this one.

In the mean time thanks for 3 more years of LOA 93 wages while you try to steal jobs from the West.

 

[fodase]

A ual local council 11 resolution is your proof the Nic. is overturned? You goat haired spineless scab clowns are hilarious.

 

[Black Swan]

A ual local council 11 resolution is your proof the Nic. is overturned? You goat haired spineless scab clowns are hilarious.

I forgot to add you to the list of denial. Everyone but the west pilots gets it. But that is just fine. "KEEP THE DONATIONS COMING!!!" PS, It isn't just the UAL guys, it is everybody. 9th, USAPA, Parker, Kirby, Baptiste and Wilder.

 

[BoeingBoy]

It's worth hanging around just to see the meltdown luv, bs, and Nosum have when this is all over. I hope USAPA is prepared to handle the suicide watch, especially for the paid USAPA shill Nosum.

Jim

 

[nic4us]

Just to set the record straight,

""PROTECTIONS AGAINST UNEXPECTED WINDFALLS IN SLI – Gene Scanlon
WHEREAS binding arbitration results in merger seniority integrations have resulted in unexpected
windfalls and damage to thousands of pilots, such as in the US Airways/America West merger, and

WHEREAS negotiation can produce a better result for a pilot group (US Airways pilots turned down
a better offer in negotiation than they got in binding arbitration), and

WHEREAS the US Airways pilots’ cure for the binding arbitration decision was to leave ALPA,
prevent implementation by not signing a JCBA, and then overturn that binding arbitration in court,
and

WHEREAS the United pilots and Continental pilots should be able to agree on the limits of the
decision to be made in binding arbitration, and

WHEREAS the change to ALPA Merger Policy took away the tool that was used by the US Airways
pilots to stop the binding arbitration award, and
WHEREAS the pilots of United Airlines refuse to throw their seniority at the mercy of a single
person in binding arbitration without reasonable limits,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the members of C11 direct their C11 officers to require a
negotiation with Continental pilots to arrive at reasonable limits for the authority of the arbitrator, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the members of C11 direct their C11 officers to refuse to accept
any contract until an arbitration agreement is established with protections against unexpected
windfalls and damage, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the members of C11 direct its chairman to establish a committee
of C11 members from both sides of the “politics” that exist in the MEC and LEC to advise the C11
members’ officers on this issue.""

Okay, lets see what we have here.

Whereas, one UAL pilot apparently named Gene Scanlon, has not read the Nicolau award, he has no room to comment on its equity, he is however correct that the usapa proponents have harmed thousands of pilots.

Whereas, I am certain the Continental pilots will gladly offer limits to the decision like,,none of UAL's furloughed pilots will be placed above active Continental pilots. A likely condition that would harm what Gene thinks his status should be.

Whereas, If the UAL pilot group makes demands of the Continental pilots, they will promptly be told to pound sand.

Whereas, they call it binding arbitration for a reason.

Therefore be it resolved, that the readers of this board who think a UAL council resolution has any bearing on the validity of the Nic shall be advised of their error.


Seriously, I am sure this Gene fellow is a great guy, and he is just trying to facilitate a happy ending, but this resolution is somewhat ridiculous. My question is obvious, what do you do if the negotiations on the limits of the arbitration cannot be agree upon?

All this guy is saying is UAL and CAL have to reach a negotiated settlement, because you will do better there than in arbitration. Maybe???

I do however also have to point out that, his second paragraph illustrates his complete lack of factual knowledge in our case (or false knowledge provided by one of his east buddies perhaps). The east did not turn down a better deal than the Nic in mediation.

 

[sumadarson]

It's worth hanging around just to see the meltdown luv, bs, and Nosum have when this is all over. I hope USAPA is prepared to handle the suicide watch, especially for the paid USAPA shill Nosum.

Jim

You are a paid alpa forum propagandist.

Say hi to Trader.

Do you know any 190 pilots personally?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Okay, lets see what we have here.

Whereas, one UAL pilot apparently named Gene Scanlon,

I think USAPA needs to induct Gene as an honorary member of the AFO Club.

 

[nic4us]

I forgot to add you to the list of denial. Everyone but the west pilots gets it. But that is just fine. "KEEP THE DONATIONS COMING!!!" PS, It isn't just the UAL guys, it is everybody. 9th, USAPA, Parker, Kirby, Baptiste and Wilder.

Swan, you east guys crack me up.

I know exactly where we stand, I have followed the mediation, the arbitration, the court cases, the NMB election....everything.

But all I have to do is state an accurate assesment of that standing and I am either in "denial" or I am being "emotional".

So here it is in a nutshell. AOL has denied usapa DOH. usapa has denied the pilot group any improvements to our contracts.

 

[nic4us]

I think USAPA needs to induct Gene as an honorary member of the AFO Club.

I think he already has been.

That line about the east turned down a better deal than Nic gave them was obviously fed him by some east BS artist.

 

[sumadarson]

A dog can not smell himself.

 

[traderjake]

Say hi to Trader.

Do you know any 190 pilots personally?

The one time I rode the jump seat on the 190 the Captain said USAPA was wrong and is going to lose.

 

[Metroyet]

If a USAPA scab pickets in the forest, and nobody sees him do it, does the news media and general public STILL not give a s**t?

 

[sumadarson]

If a USAPA scab pickets in the forest, and nobody sees him do it, does the news media and general public STILL not give a s**t?

Ask the 28 year west pilot in the latest crew news video about Australian rules at the time.

Australian media and their general public awareness rules, do not apply here.

 

[ManDachine]

The one time I rode the jump seat on the 190 the Captain said USAPA was wrong and is going to lose.

He was probably a former alpa mec chairman