US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

I'm not complaining at all. Put a TA out with NIC as the section 22 seniority list and see what happens.

No other list will be accepted by Management unless they are given judicial relief from collusion liability, which isn't at all likely to happen. So if anyone wants a JCBA in 2011 or 2012, the NIC is almost certainly the only seniority list that can accomplish that. Look at what Management filed and argued before Silver in the DJ. Paraphrase - a jury, based on the merits, found USAPA guilty of a failure in their DFR because they proposed a non-NIC seniority list. The Company can be found liable if they were to accept any other list unless of course a court provides explicit protection for Management’s complicity in accepting a non-NIC list. That is Management’s position and I certainly don’t expect them to move off that position just because USAPA sends sophomoric letters and makes wildly unfounded claims about safety.

Of course even if judge Silver rules today in some form or fashion, it won’t change much if anything. If she dismisses the matter, Management will appeal. If Silver rules that the TA is unenforceable, Management and/or AOL will appeal. If Silver rules that the NIC is the only seniority list Management can accept without exposure to collusion, USAPA will appeal if for no other reason than to keep the fire hose of funds flowing into $eham’s bank account.

So for the near-term, the NIC is the only viable list that will allow JCBA negotiations to continue. Any other scenario will only lead to more delay and more uncertainties about where this east-created debacle will ultimately lead the pilots to.

DFR II is a near-certainty, but only if Management is convinced by the courts or the NMB that accepting a non-NIC list will create less financial risk and liability exposure than not accepting such a list. Otherwise, any talk of a JCBA and therefore DFR II is just pure fantasy. We all know that the Ninth ruled that ripeness occurs at ratification and that can only happen if Management agrees to accept a non-NIC list which they will not except as noted above.

I’m neither worried not complaining. I’m simply offering my take on situation at hand, buttressed with facts, reason, and logic to support my views. Do you have anything similar to offer with regards to your original post insinuating that Parker/Management is the one causing the delay in attaining a JCBA?

How about we put a TA out with DOH as the sec 22 boy wonder.
and when we have DFR 2 hopefully we will be allowed to show how a 20 year employee goes behind a new hire.. I'm sure Joe Q Public would love to hear that one.

 

[CallawayGolf]

How about we put a TA out with DOH as the sec 22 boy wonder.
and when we have DFR 2 hopefully we will be allowed to show how a 20 year employee goes behind a new hire.. I'm sure Joe Q Public would love to hear that one.

The east has the majority of votes and a stranglehold on the union. So what's stopping USAPA from getting a DOH TA contract out? The west pilots can't stop USAPA and Management from doing just what you suggest. So, how soon should we expect the TA to be out?

The NIC is an easy read even for the general public. I have no doubt they will see nothing in the NIC that needs to be legally overturned. But hey, you want a JCBA with DOH? Then put one out for a vote using all of USAPA powerful negotiating leverage. Again, when should we expect USAPA to deliver the TA for a vote? USAPA is capable of geting a JCBA, right?

 

[nevergiveup]

The east has the majority of votes and a stranglehold on the union. So what's stopping USAPA from getting a DOH TA contract out? The west pilots can't stop USAPA and Management from doing just what you suggest. So, how soon should we expect the TA to be out?

The NIC is an easy read even for the general public. I have no doubt they will see nothing in the NIC that needs to be legally overturned. But hey, you want a JCBA with DOH? Then put one out for a vote using all of USAPA powerful negotiating leverage. Again, when should we expect USAPA to deliver the TA for a vote? USAPA is capable of geting a JCBA, right?

The TA should be out two weeks from three weeks ago last Friday, plus or minus two weeks to a month. Remember, Herald may have only been off by a week or two!

 

[traderjake]

and when we have DFR 2 hopefully we will be allowed to show how a 20 year employee goes behind a new hire.. I'm sure Joe Q Public would love to hear that one.

Try putting out a contract with a Reserve First Officer ahead of a Captain.

The public and the courts are not on your side.

 

[rosyjosey]

After watching the PHX crew news Parker's position about USAPA brings the phrase "give them enough rope to hang themselves with" comes to mind...

Jim

I'm guessing you missed/ignored the part where he stated he didn't see any failure to represent on the part of USAPA! For the life of me I don't understand why you spend so much time on this board denigrating the duly elected union and your former co-workers. You must truly be a sad sad man.

RJ

 

[sumadarson]

I did not hear you guys claim innocence of identity theft accusations. You should of asked doug about that.

america west pilots stole identity of the east pilots

 

[sumadarson]

None of your west pilots and management were aware that they were being overpaid for 18 months? Liars.

 

[sumadarson]

Who was in charge of watching these america west people? You are victims of your greed.

""Despite the lofty positions these men held with America West, they seemed to have no difficulty getting time off for their drug flights, and America West wanted to rehire Russell after his six months in the Federal country club.""


Your management did not know your managementpilot team, was selling drugs?

 

[sumadarson]

You poor victimized west pilots. You did not know you were crossing a picket line? You gutsy west guys. In the latest crew news video you had that hog parading her kid around looking for sympathy, but it was FUNNY back then in Australia.

WEST PILOTS CROSSING A PICKET LINE IN AUSTRALIA QUOTE BELOW;;

"" Their wives, however, made their run-ins at the waterline. Fortunately, there weren’t too many of them.

I suppose they were experimenting with the tactic of making themselves look pitiful. They dragged their children around with them and planted them in front of you if you tried to move.

Well, what can one say? It was an interesting technique, but you could tell that the kids would really rather have been someplace else at the time.""


west pilots crossing picket lines in Austraila

 

[nevergiveup]

Try putting out a contract with a Reserve First Officer ahead of a Captain.

The public and the courts are not on your side.

There are already reserve first officers ahead of captains.

 

[ManDachine]

Try putting out a contract with a Reserve First Officer ahead of a Captain.

The public and the courts are not on your side.

So a Reserve FO on the 330 who can hold Captain on group 2 should be place behind anyone out west because his in the right seat?

 

[luvthe9]

Luv9, et.al.


Please keep us updated on today's Philly Turd Swirl and let us know whether they go down the drain clockwise or counter-clockwise.

Roger Wilco, here is your report. Estimated at 90-100. Went really well. We really missed you, and would give you a special Wye River Special Edition Yellow Lanyard. Instead of "Safety First" The west edition states- "ALL THE RISK LIES WITH THE WEST"

 

[luvthe9]

I did not hear you guys claim innocence of identity theft accusations. You should of asked doug about that.

america west pilots stole identity of the east pilots

East pilots get Lifelock TM West pilots get summons for court, AND, Jenny Craig memberships for one year!

 

[traderjake]

So a Reserve FO on the 330 who can hold Captain on group 2 should be place behind anyone out west because his in the right seat?

An East Reserve 320 F/O ahead of a West 320 Captain.

 

[Black Swan]

You poor victimized west pilots. You did not know you were crossing a picket line? You gutsy west guys. In the latest crew news video you had that hog parading her kid around looking for sympathy, but it was FUNNY back then in Australia.

WEST PILOTS CROSSING A PICKET LINE IN AUSTRALIA QUOTE BELOW;;

"" Their wives, however, made their run-ins at the waterline. Fortunately, there weren’t too many of them.

I suppose they were experimenting with the tactic of making themselves look pitiful. They dragged their children around with them and planted them in front of you if you tried to move.

Well, what can one say? It was an interesting technique, but you could tell that the kids would really rather have been someplace else at the time.""


west pilots crossing picket lines in Austraila

All you have to do is fly a trip in and out of PHL, and the potential of the west scabbing coming back rears its' head again. Watch the crew news video. They will cross, absolutely. Another day, another reason. But the real reason is the same, and always is for a scab. Getting what they want ahead of another. They want your job, without the time in the craft. Give it now, or we cross. Listen to them as they call out "on time push" Pathetic. There is not even a contract yet to even contend, yet the snakes have slithered out of their holes. They ridicule any attempt the east makes, nothing is good enough, nothing is fast enough for them. They, will cross if you give them the chance. Even Parker is astonished at what he is dealing with.