US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Our Captains would be reduced, many DISPLACED to lower positions making a hell of alot less working weekends and holidays while someone hired more than 12 plus years after them fills THEIR SEAT! You know it TRADER, remember when the WEST coast closed, LAX, SFO,SAN , PIT, BWI, what does DAL, UA, say about capacity, NO THANK YOU! MM! No one wants a hub in PHX, it will be spun off, get rid of alot of problems for the surviving carrier!

MM, Trader could care less about his fellow employees you should know that by now, he's a one man band. And yes he voted for LOA 93

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Your problem is that the longer it takes to get to a an integration, the bigger the price the east will pay. As your favorite lawyers say, seniority is buying power and 16+ years at the time of the merger didn't buy much. Even if USAPA does ultimately prevail on not using the Nic (a long shot) it's DOH based "solution" will guarantee a victory in a DFR trial.

Jim

Well thanx for your concern JIM! LOL to you also!

 

[Hate2fly]

Watched the crew news video. Parker was spanking all over the westies.

I felt like I was watching Saturday Night Live. I couldn't stop laughing.

Can you imagine what the melt down in the west will be like when Kasher comes in?

Hate

 

[cleardirect]

The whole show was very interesting BS. I kept wondering how the FAA would react watching this display ............

Stop speculating and show it to them. All talk no action. Do tell us what the FAA reaction to that is.

We know what the FAA reaction to your complaints about flows being unsafe was. Welcome to the modern world.

What do you think the FAA will do? Take the US Airways certificate?

Not allow the 2 sides to ever fly together? That kind of defeats the single carrier so we can split ourselves from usapa and keep our dues money. That also keeps you guys from using DOH and the west as furlough fodder. Separated we can get a contract on our own without interference from you clowns.

Please show it to the FAA. A single video of pilots talking to the CEO might not get you far. But records of union press releases and FAA logs citing false safety events might cause a stir.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Your problem is that the longer it takes to get to a an integration, the bigger the price the east will pay. As your favorite lawyers say, seniority is buying power and 16+ years at the time of the merger didn't buy much. Even if USAPA does ultimately prevail on not using the Nic (a long shot) it's DOH based "solution" will guarantee a victory in a DFR trial.

Jim

Case law does not support your position. You didn't watch the latest PHX crew news.....oh, I forgot YOU'RE NO LONGER A PILOT FOR US AIRWAYS! You and Tory Vaughan: great lessons for the I got mine crowd.

 

[traderjake]

MM, Trader could care less about his fellow employees you should know that by now, he's a one man band. And yes he voted for LOA 93

Yes I did vote for LOA 93, we were in bankruptcy and the PHL and PIT Reps were too stupid to realize they had no support or leverage so they negotiated a contract worse than the company's offer.

Here long has USAPA been the CBA? Three years and nothing to show for it.

I just flew with another East Captain who agrees with me so your numbers are a little off.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Stop speculating and show it to them. All talk no action. Do tell us what the FAA reaction to that is.

We know what the FAA reaction to your complaints about flows being unsafe was. Welcome to the modern world.

What do you think the FAA will do? Take the US Airways certificate?

Not allow the 2 sides to ever fly together? That kind of defeats the single carrier so we can split ourselves from usapa and keep our dues money. That also keeps you guys from using DOH and the west as furlough fodder. Separated we can get a contract on our own without interference from you clowns.

Please show it to the FAA. A single video of pilots talking to the CEO might not get you far. But records of union press releases and FAA logs citing false safety events might cause a stir.

Sorry, but if YOU watched the tape, Parker said that BECAUSE of the RLA he is UNABLE to negotiate with anyone but USAPA. USAPA would have to negotiate a "separate" contract, which they are NOT about to do. West pilots CANNOT get a "contract on our own" under separate operations. Maybe IF WE SEPARATED, then you can get your own "union", but until that happens, only USAPA is the LEGALLY RECOGNIZED BARGAINING AGENT. Welcome back to reality and the facts.


BTW, the PHX crew news was an embarrassment to you and yours.

Have a nice day.

 

[cleardirect]

Watched the crew news video. Parker was spanking all over the westies.

I felt like I was watching Saturday Night Live. I couldn't stop laughing.

Can you imagine what the melt down in the west will be like when Kasher comes in?

Hate

Great we are back to your obsession with spanking. Keep laughing These are the same guys that you need to help you get a contract. That you east guys are demanding help you get a contract. Do you think that is going to happen anytime soon? Do those guys look ready to sign a POS contract just for the Nicolau? No way!

Can you imagine the melt down on the east when Kasher comes in with NO?

Enjoy LOA 93 until you retire.

 

[cleardirect]

Sorry, but if YOU watched the tape, Parker said that BECAUSE of the RLA he is UNABLE to negotiate with anyone but USAPA. USAPA would have to negotiate a "separate" contract, which they are NOT about to do. West pilots CANNOT get a "contract on our own" under separate operations. Maybe IF WE SEPARATED, then you can get your own "union", but until that happens, only USAPA is the LEGALLY RECOGNIZED BARGAINING AGENT. Welcome back to reality and the facts.


BTW, the PHX crew news was an embarrassment to you and yours.

Have a nice day.

Here I will make it easy for you.

Stop speculating and show it to them. All talk no action. Do tell us what the FAA reaction to that is.

We know what the FAA reaction to your complaints about flows being unsafe was. Welcome to the modern world.

What do you think the FAA will do? Take the US Airways certificate?

Not allow the 2 sides to ever fly together? That kind of defeats the single carrier so we can split ourselves from usapa and keep our dues money. That also keeps you guys from using DOH and the west as furlough fodder. Separated we can get a contract on our own without interference from you clowns.

Please show it to the FAA. A single video of pilots talking to the CEO might not get you far. But records of union press releases and FAA logs citing false safety events might cause a stir.

Split ourselves from the east pilots. That was the point of showing the FAA the video right? That you guys never want to fly with the west or that it would be unsafe to fly together.

You think that was an embarrassment to the west? Oh you naive little man/women.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Yes I did vote for LOA 93, we were in bankruptcy and the PHL and PIT Reps were too stupid to realize they had no support or leverage so they negotiated a contract worse than the company's offer.

Here long has USAPA been the CBA? Three years and nothing to show for it.

I just flew with another East Captain who agrees with me so your numbers are a little off.

It's amazing to me that someone like yourself is so willing to sacrifice so much for so little...so YOU voted for a CBA that THEY put forth that was WORSE??? What kind of logic was that? If anything, you all should have voted NO so as your vote DID'NT support the very CBA that the PHL and PIT reps put out. Disingenious if you ask me.(opinion). Pot meet kettle.

 

[nic4us]

Watched the crew news video. Parker was spanking all over the westies.

I felt like I was watching Saturday Night Live. I couldn't stop laughing.

Can you imagine what the melt down in the west will be like when Kasher comes in?

Hate

I suspect the meltdown will go something like this. Hey,we told you that case was a loser.

 

[crazystnic]

They don't want the record to show they endorsed your theft of their jobs.

I'm not stealing any of their jobs... I just don't want some punk sliding in and taking the upgrade in PHL ahead of me..
who was hired in 2005
If we can agree on a mechanism to protect that issue we might have a solution.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Here I will make it easy for you.


Split ourselves from the east pilots. That was the point of showing the FAA the video right? That you guys never want to fly with the west or that it would be unsafe to fly together.

You think that was an embarrassment to the west? Oh you naive little man/women.

Naive "little man/woman". That was cheeky. We all know how much you hate us after the crew news in PHX.

I go back to Captain on the Airbus in July in CLT. Parker said there's more airplanes in CLT/DCA/PHL than there are pilots, while there's more pilots than airplanes in PHX. Lets just see where this all plays out for YOUR future when the new hires on the east get off probation in a year and advancement opportunities accelerate for them. Do you think THEY'LL vote for a CBA that will let YOU jump in on top of them if separate operations give them better advancement opportunities?? I can only speculate, but I know how I would vote if I were them....their vote carries the same weight as either YOURS or MY vote after their year is over.

Rant all you want, but the facts and reality are all you get.

Good luck.

Good luck.

 

[nic4us]

MM, the DC guy has "found religion". He gets it now. It wasn't USA320.

It is very funny how all the east posters know everyones identity, even on an anonymous forum.

I guess it is possible that there is only one DCA 320 CPT who lives in PHX, so I should not have mentioned it.

Usapa being the scab organization it is, probably approached the guy and pointed out how senior he would be if he could get into PHX with their scab list. In other words, he

 

[crazystnic]

Metroyet,

Don't know what it will be like in 5 years except that I will be 3 yrs. in to catching up on my fishing unless I hit the powerball before dec. 2012.

Regards,

Bob

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Hey Bob,

I hope after DEC 2012 I never see you on this board!!!!

Jim quotes that life has never been better and he enjoys retirement... Hell of a way to enjoy retirement .. spending every day on this board... Heck I work here and I'm not here that much!