US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/29- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[oldiebutgoody]

Titanium is required of you to pay for your lawyers and Army of Leonidas mistakes. One recent posters suggestion of the unobtanium badge is the only possible result of your efforts. Time to move on and obtain an industry leading contract that we all deserve.

America West Pilots view of the 9th Circuit Court oral arguments in early 2010

After seeing this, I decided to look up BOTH sides' lawyers on the web. I saw this, which blew me away on Dr. Andrew S. Jacob's web resume:

Distinctions
Known by some in the Arizona office as the lawyer’s lawyer, Mr. Jacob focuses his practice on the complex legal analysis required by our more difficult cases.

One of the leading attorneys on a challenging labor union unfair representation case, Mr. Jacob played an integral role in formulating and implementing the successful legal strategy that resulted it a rare plaintiffs win.

Is he talking about the Addington case? One can only speculate.

Here's the link if you want to see for yourself (until it gets yanked, of course)...
http://www.polsinelli.com/ajacob/

WOW, I love those things that lawyers find a "distinction". I love the "rare plaintiffs win" part.

I think I'll start calling myself a "blogger's blogger". What dya think?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

If the company touches anything but the nic they will be sued for breach of contract. When the case is "unquestionably" ripe, I promise you, the DFR lawsuit will be filed that day. I'd forget about a better contract for the foreseeable future unless you can convince the company to expose themselves to certain litigation. Ratification provides zero legal shelter here. A TRO or Injunction will be applied just like last time when ripeness was determined NOT to be an issue. The difference this time is that there will in fact be a joint contract. No going back. No room to delay. Here's my favorite fact I like to remind folks of.

4 Federal Judges

2 say USAPA has ALREADY violated the law...

2 say USAPA hasn't done it YET.

Of course this fact is cause for celebration somehow for the East.

HA HA HA, That's a HOOT! You don't know what YOU are talking about (again)!

UNDER THE RLA, YOU CAN'T SUE THE COMPANY FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT..It's NOT POSSIBLE.

That's what the grievance process is for. Go ahead, grieve it. It won't go past the grievance committee.

Of course, your lawyers may try it. They need the money to pay greens fees.

 

[informed]

If the company touches anything but the nic they will be sued for breach of contract. When the case is "unquestionably" ripe, I promise you, the DFR lawsuit will be filed that day. I'd forget about a better contract for the foreseeable future unless you can convince the company to expose themselves to certain litigation. Ratification provides zero legal shelter here. A TRO or Injunction will be applied just like last time when ripeness was determined NOT to be an issue. The difference this time is that there will in fact be a joint contract. No going back. No room to delay. Here's my favorite fact I like to remind folks of.

4 Federal Judges

2 say USAPA has ALREADY violated the law...

2 say USAPA hasn't done it YET.

Of course this fact is cause for celebration somehow for the East.

Someone will "make your day" sooner than you think.

 

[Barrister]

Titanium is required of you to pay for your lawyers and Army of Leonidas mistakes. One recent posters suggestion of the unobtanium badge is the only possible result of your efforts. Time to move on and obtain an industry leading contract that we all deserve.

America West Pilots view of the 9th Circuit Court oral arguments in early 2010

Good grief...what a classic case of "you don't really know what they are thinking till they rule" OMG
you gotta watch this. This dude must have had an ulcer when the 9th ruled.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[informed]

Titanium is required of you to pay for your lawyers and Army of Leonidas mistakes. One recent posters suggestion of the unobtanium badge is the only possible result of your efforts. Time to move on and obtain an industry leading contract that we all deserve.

America West Pilots view of the 9th Circuit Court oral arguments in early 2010

"Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." Debated, who is the author of this quote.



My link Don Addington v. US Airline Pilots Association, No. 09-16564

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

After seeing this, I decided to look up BOTH sides' lawyers on the web. I saw this, which blew me away on Dr. Andrew S. Jacob's web resume:

Distinctions
Known by some in the Arizona office as the lawyer’s lawyer, Mr. Jacob focuses his practice on the complex legal analysis required by our more difficult cases.

One of the leading attorneys on a challenging labor union unfair representation case, Mr. Jacob played an integral role in formulating and implementing the successful legal strategy that resulted it a rare plaintiffs win.

Is he talking about the Addington case? One can only speculate.

Here's the link if you want to see for yourself (until it gets yanked, of course)...
http://www.polsinelli.com/ajacob/

WOW, I love those things that lawyers find a "distinction". I love the "rare plaintiffs win" part.

I think I'll start calling myself a "blogger's blogger". What dya think?

Does anyone have the link where BYBEE was almost disbarred for the "WASHBOARD " thing. I luve that video who was the guy in it? 4 federal judges, did he read TASHIMA and GRABERS opinion? TASHIMA, part time judge? MAN that guy should be in stand-up sort of like FRONTLINE on the ""CHAPELLE SHOW"! MM!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Does anyone have the link where BYBEE was almost disbarred for the "WASHBOARD " thing. I luve that video who was the guy in it? 4 federal judges, did he read TASHIMA and GRABERS opinion? TASHIMA, part time judge? MAN that guy should be in stand-up sort of like FRONTLINE on the ""CHAPELLE SHOW"! MM!

I think you mean "waterboard"? I don't know of a link, but try putting "bybee" and "waterboard" in Google. I think I read that all the US charges were dismissed, but charges for war crimes are still pending in some European countries.

Here's a link to a Time magazine article:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1894309,00.html

 

[BoeingBoy]

I think I'll start calling myself a "blogger's blogger". What dya think?

Why not call yourself a RLA and airline merger expert since you seem to have more experience in those fields than Kevin McBride (the author of the blog entry that's the new favorite). But McBride does like outdoor activities, ocean-side meditation, and spiritual study.

Kevin McBride

Jim

 

[nycbusdriver]

... I promise you, the DFR lawsuit will be filed that day.

Oh, this again. Ho hum.

Here's my favorite fact I like to remind folks of.

4 Federal Judges

2 say USAPA has ALREADY violated the law...

2 say USAPA hasn't done it YET.

Of course this fact is cause for celebration somehow for the East.

But, 1 of your federal judges flat out DOESN'T COUNT! He got his desert fanny whacked because he did a no-no. What is it that you guys don't understand about that fact.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Why not call yourself a RLA and airline merger expert since you seem to have more experience in those fields than Kevin McBride (the author of the blog entry that's the new favorite). But McBride does like outdoor activities, ocean-side meditation, and spiritual study.

Kevin McBride

Jim

I won't because I'm not. If one posts that on their online resume, It's there for the world to see. Sounds like Mr. McBride has his "stuff" together. I don't see him calling himself any sort of "lawyer's lawyer", whatever that means. He actually looks to be the kind of lawyer I could respect.

I do know more than some posters on here. I would never let the fact that I didn't get my own "lottery ticket" cashed 20+ years ago make me look like such a spoiled sport. All you have to do to know that you can't sue your company under the RLA is to read it.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Actually OLDIE, I did mean"WASHBOARD" like washing your credibility but hey , him and the desert judge hey! MM!

 

[informed]

There is a pending merger of United and Continental airlines possible. I believe we could give some advice to the pilots of this recent possible merger. Any suggestions?

UAL CAL lovefest

 

[informed]

There is a pending merger of United and Continental airlines possible. I believe we could give some advice to the pilots of this recent possible merger. Any suggestions?

UAL CAL lovefest

Would this be interesting if Continental pilots started their own in house union? The president of ALPA , John Prater is a Continental Pilot. What a terrible thought. You can trust Prater, he is in the office of the VP of ALPA Paul Rice, United Pilot, every day, I am sure they are looking out for the CAL pilots best interest.

Sleep well, they will probably handle this the way they handled the USAirways, America West merger.

With 767 jetz United pilots 1467 pilots on furlough, he for sure can add some insight into this situation for all to obtain. Interestingly enough, 767 was very active on this thread until a possible merger with USAirways, America West and United was announced. His sabbatical ended from this board the day the CAL UAL merger Idea was conceived.

Good Night.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Why not call yourself a RLA and airline merger expert since you seem to have more experience in those fields than Kevin McBride (the author of the blog entry that's the new favorite). But McBride does like outdoor activities, ocean-side meditation, and spiritual study.

Kevin McBride

Jim

Looks like Captain EB.

 

[Metroyet]

HA HA HA, That's a HOOT! You don't know what YOU are talking about (again)!

UNDER THE RLA, YOU CAN'T SUE THE COMPANY FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT..It's NOT POSSIBLE.

That's what the grievance process is for. Go ahead, grieve it. It won't go past the grievance committee.

Of course, your lawyers may try it. They need the money to pay greens fees.

the Transition agreement is tri-lateral and not your CBA. Wake never fully dismissed the Company because the RLA circumstances do not give Airlines, Railroads, and Unions Carte Blanche to do whatever they want...no matter how absurd and illegal and all the while relying on the grievance system to work out problems. Why did American successfully sue apa in court...isn't that RLA? What about MDA...should they just "grieve it"? Alaska Pilots sued Alaska in Fed. ct. as well. I guess nobody told them the grievance process is the only acceptable method of recourse. There are hundreds of court cases involving airlines, and unions. Don't know where you're getting your info but but Your and the companies lawyers will once again be seen huddling at the same table just like they did in Wakes Court room...How apropos.

Again. All 4 Judges ruled that USAPA is on a course to another DFR. This issue isn't going to simply go away and the West isn't just going to forget about it. Once ratified, you're going straight back to court. When Ripeness wasn't an issue, the Jury unanimously convicted inside of 90 minutes. What makes you think that won't happen again? Just like last time, it will be a slam dunk. Vote Yes...go all in. (no crying this time however)