US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/10- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

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...Indeed, the Supreme Court case that clarified that the DFR
was applicable during contract negotiations articulated its
holding in terms that imply a claim can be brought only after
negotiations are complete and a “final product” has been
reached. See Air Line Pilots Ass’n, Int’l v. O’Neill, 499 U.S.
65, 78 (1991) (“[T]he final product of the bargaining process
may constitute evidence of a breach of duty only if it can be
fairly characterized as so far outside a ‘wide range of reasonableness,’
that it is wholly ‘irrational’ or ‘arbitrary.’ ” (quoting
Ford Motor Co. v. Huffman, 345 U.S. 330, 338 (1953)))...


The Court of Appeals is quoting case law to you that contains the standard
Thats what courts do. So slice it and dice it anyway you want to. The last
sentence will be the test USAPA has to meet when they propose a TA that is ratified.
The 9th did not cite that case because IT WAS A SLOW DAY AND THE CLERKS
NEEDED TO STAY BUSY. Open your eyes and check your bank balance.
This is going to get even more difficult and more expensive. Chances are the
NIC or even it's mention will not be a factor in the next case.

NIC DOA
NPJB

Here is excerpt from Ford v. Huffman

Any authority to negotiate derives its principal strength from a delegation to the negotiators of a discretion 338*338 to make such concessions and accept such advantages as, in the light of all relevant considerations, they believe will best serve the interests of the parties represented. A major responsibility of negotiators is to weigh the relative advantages and disadvantages of differing proposals. A bargaining representative, under the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, often is a labor organization but it is not essential that it be such. The employees represented often are members of the labor organization which represents them at the bargaining table, but it is not essential that they be such. The bargaining representative, whoever it may be, is responsible to, and owes complete loyalty to, the interests of all whom it represents. In the instant controversy, International represented, with certain exceptions not material here, all employees at the Louisville works, including both the veterans with, and those without, prior employment by Ford, as well as the employees having no military service. Inevitably differences arise in the manner and degree to which the terms of any negotiated agreement affect individual employees and classes of employees. The mere existence of such differences does not make them invalid. The complete satisfaction of all who are represented is hardly to be expected. A wide range of reasonableness must be allowed a statutory bargaining representative in serving the unit it represents, subject always to complete good faith and honesty of purpose in the exercise of its discretion.

Compromises on a temporary basis, with a view to long-range advantages, are natural incidents of negotiation. Differences in wages, hours and conditions of employment reflect countless variables. Seniority rules governing promotions, transfers, layoffs and similar matters may, in the first instance, revolve around length of competent service. Variations acceptable in the discretion of bargaining representatives, however, may well include differences 339*339 based upon such matters as the unit within which seniority is to be computed, the privileges to which it shall relate, the nature of the work, the time at which it is done, the fitness, ability or age of the employees, their family responsibilities, injuries received in course of service, and time or labor devoted to related public service, whether civil or military, voluntary or involuntary. See, e. g., Hartley v. Brotherhood of Clerks, 283 Mich. 201, 277 N. W. 885; and see also, Williamson & Harris, Trends in Collective Bargaining (1945), 100-103.

The National Labor Relations Act, as amended, gives a bargaining representative not only wide responsibility but authority to meet that responsibility. We have held that a collective-bargaining representative is within its authority when, in the general interest of those it represents, it agrees to allow union chairmen certain advantages in the retention of their employment, even to the prejudice of veterans otherwise entitled to greater seniority. Aeronautical Lodge v. Campbell, supra, at 526-529.

The public policy and fairness inherent in crediting employees with time spent in military service in time of war or national emergency is so clear that Congress, in the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, required some credit to be given for it in computing seniority both in governmental and in private employment. See note 5, supra. Congress there prescribed that employees who left their private civilian employment to enter military service should receive seniority credit for such military service, provided their prior civilian employment, however brief, was bona fide and not on a temporary basis. There is little that justifies giving such a substantial benefit to a veteran with brief prior civilian employment that does not equally justify giving it to a veteran who was inducted into military service before having a chance to enter any civilian employment, or to a veteran who never worked 340*340 for the particular employer who hired him after his return from military service. The respective values of all such veterans, as employees, are substantially the same. From the point of view of public policy and industrial stability, there is much to be said, especially in time of war or emergency, for allowing credit for all military service. Any other course adopts the doubtful policy of favoring those who stay out of military service over those who enter it.

The above considerations took concrete form in the Veterans' Preference Act of 1944 which added the requirement that credit for military service be given by every civilian federal agency, whether the military service preceded or followed civilian employment.[8] Apparently recognizing the countless variations in conditions affecting private employment, Congress, however, did not make credit for such pre-employment military service compulsory in private civilian employment. A little later, the Administrator of the Retraining and Reemployment Administration of the United States Department of Labor assembled a representative committee to recommend principles to serve as guides to private employers in their employment of veterans and others.[9] Among 15 principles 341*341 developed by that committee, and "wholeheartedly" endorsed by the Secretary of Labor, in 1946, were the following:

"8. All veterans having reemployment rights under Federal statutes should be accorded these statutory rights as a minimum.

.....

"13. Newly hired veterans who have served a probationary period and qualified for employment should be allowed seniority credit, at least for purposes of job retention, equal to time spent in the armed services plus time spent in recuperation from service-connected injuries or disabilities either through hospitalization or vocational training."[10]
The provisions before us reflect such a policy.[11] It 342*342 is not necessary to define here the limits to which a collective-bargaining representative may go in accepting proposals to promote the long-range social or economic welfare of those it represents. Nothing in the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, so limits the vision and action of a bargaining representative that it must disregard public policy and national security. Nor does anything in that Act compel a bargaining representative to limit seniority clauses solely to the relative lengths of employment of the respective employees. Aeronautical Lodge v. Campbell, supra, at 526, and 528-529, n. 5. For examples of negotiated provisions protecting veterans from loss of seniority upon their return to private civilian employment, recognized by the National War Labor Board as coming within the proper scope of collective bargaining, in 1945, see, In re American Can Co., 27 War Lab. Rep. 634, 28 War Lab. Rep. 764, and In re Firestone Tire & Rubber Co., 24 War Lab. Rep. 322, 28 War Lab. Rep. 483. See also, Bureau of National Affairs, Inc., Collective Bargaining Contracts (1941), 369 et seq.

The provisions before us are within reasonable bounds of relevancy. They extended but slightly, during a period of war and emergency, the acceptance of credits for military service under circumstances where comparable credit already was required, by statute, in favor of all who had been regularly employed by Ford before entering military service. These provisions conform to the recommendation of responsible Government officials and round out a statutory requirement which, unless so rounded out, produces discriminations of its own. A failure to adopt these provisions might have resulted in 343*343 more friction among employees represented by International than did their adoption.

The several briefs of amici curiae, filed here by consent of all parties, demonstrate the widespread acceptance and relevance of the type of provisions before us.

We hold that International, as a collective-bargaining representative, had authority to accept these provisions. Accordingly, we find no ground sufficient to establish the invalidity of the provisions before us or to sustain an injunction against either petitioner. In accord: Haynes v. United Chemical Workers, 190 Tenn. 165, 228 S. W. 2d 101.

The judgment of the Court of Appeals which reversed that of the District Court therefore is reversed. The judgment of the District Court is affirmed and the cause is remanded to it.

Reversed and remanded.

[*] Together with No. 194, International Union, United Automobile, Aircraft & Agricultural Implement Workers of America, CIO, v. Huffman et al., also on certiorari to the same court.

[1] Where the context permits, "military service" in this opinion includes service in the land or naval forces or Merchant Marine of the United States or its allies.

[2] 54 Stat. 890, 56 Stat. 724, 58 Stat. 798, 60 Stat. 341, 50 U. S. C. App. § 308.

[3] 49 Stat. 452, 61 Stat. 140, 65 Stat. 601, 29 U. S. C. (Supp. V) §§ 157-159.

[4] In No. 194, International also questions the jurisdiction of the District Court. International recognizes that one issue in the case is whether it engaged in an unfair labor practice when it agreed to the allowance of credit for pre-employment military service in computations of employment seniority. It then argues that the National Labor Relations Act, as amended, 61 Stat. 146, 29 U. S. C. (Supp. V) § 160 (a), vests the initial jurisdiction over such an issue exclusively in the National Labor Relations Board. This question was not argued in the Court of Appeals nor mentioned in its opinion and, in view of our position on the merits, it is not discussed here. Our decision interprets the statutory authority of a collective-bargaining representative to have such breadth that it removes all ground for a substantial charge that International, by exceeding its authority, committed an unfair labor practice. As to a somewhat comparable question considered in connection with the Railway Labor Act, see Tunstall v. Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, 323 U. S. 210; Steele v. Louisville & N. R. Co., 323 U. S. 192, 204-207.

[5] "SEC. 8. . . .

"(B) In the case of any such person who, in order to perform such training and service, has left or leaves a position, other than a temporary position, in the employ of any employer and who (1) receives such certificate [of satisfactory completion of his period of training and service], (2) is still qualified to perform the duties of such position, and (3) makes application for reemployment within ninety days after he is relieved from such training and service . . .

.....

"(B) if such position was in the employ of a private employer, such employer shall restore such person to such position or to a position of like seniority, status, and pay unless the employer's circumstances have so changed as to make it impossible or unreasonable to do so; . . . ." 54 Stat. 890, 58 Stat. 798, 50 U. S. C. App. § 308 (B) (B).


[6] Article VIII of a supplementary agreement between Ford and International, dated July 30, 1946, contained the following:

"Section 13— . . . .

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"(c) Any veteran of World War II who was not employed by any person or company at the time of his entry into the service of the land or naval forces or the Merchant Marine and who is a citizen of the United States and served with the allies and who has been honorably discharged from such training and service and who is hired by the company after he is relieved from training and service in the land or naval forces or after completion of service in the Merchant Marine shall, upon having been employed for six (6) months and not before, receive seniority credit for the period of such service subsequent to June 21, 1941, provided:

"(1) Such veteran must apply for employment within ninety (90) days from the time he is relieved from such training or service in the land or naval forces or the time of his completion of such service in the Merchant Marine, and must obtain such employment within twelve (12) months from the time he is relieved from such training and service in the land or naval forces or the time of his completion of such service in the Merchant Marine.

"(2) Such veteran shall not have previously exercised his right in any plant of this or any other company.

"(3) A veteran so employed shall submit his service discharge papers to the company at the end of aforesaid probationary period of employment and the company shall place thereon in permanent form a statement showing that the veteran has exercised this right, such statement to be signed by representatives of the company and the Union, and a copy thereof placed in the employee's record and a copy furnished to the Union.

"(d) It is further understood and agreed that, regardless of any of the foregoing, all veterans in the [employ] of the company at the time the Contract is thus amended shall receive seniority credit for their period of service, subsequent to June 21, 1941 in the land or naval forces or Merchant Marine of the United States or its allies, upon completion of their probationary period." (Emphasis supplied.)

The above provisions were continued in effect, in substantially identical form, in an agreement of August 21, 1947. An agreement of September 28, 1949, provided:

"Section 12. . . .

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"(c) Any employee who, prior to the effective date of this Agreement, has received the seniority credit provided for in Article VIII, Section 13 (c) or (d) of the Agreement between the Company and the Union dated August 21, 1947, or the comparable provision in the Supplementary Agreement between the Company and the Union dated July 30, 1946, shall continue to receive such seniority credit."


[7] On Huffman's return to Ford in July, 1946, his employment seniority, including his military service, dated from September 23, 1943. It totaled about 33 months, including about 14 months of pre-service company employment and 19 of post-employment military service. An example of a veteran who, due to the agreements before us, outranks Huffman in employment seniority is one who entered military service July 1, 1943, without any prior employment, served honorably until discharged March 1, 1945, and, thereafter, has been employed continuously by Ford, including six months of satisfactory probationary employment. His seniority dates from July 1, 1943. By July 1, 1946, it totaled 36 months, including 20 months of pre-employment military service, and 16 of post-service company employment. However, except for the collective-bargaining agreements, Huffman would then have outranked such a veteran by about 17 months, although Huffman's military service totaled one month less, his employment by Ford two months less and his combined military service and company employment three months less than that of such a veteran.

[8] "SEC. 12. In any reduction in personnel in any civilian service of any Federal agency, competing employees shall be released in accordance with Civil Service Commission regulations which shall give due effect to tenure of employment, military preference, length of service, and efficiency ratings: Provided, That the length of time spent in active service in the armed forces of the United States of each such employee shall be credited in computing length of total service: . . . ." 58 Stat. 390, 5 U. S. C. § 861.

[9] This "Committee of Nine" consisted of representatives from the Business Advisory Council to the Secretary of Commerce, National Association of Manufacturers, U. S. Chamber of Commerce, American Federation of Labor, Congress of Industrial Organizations, Railway Labor Executives' Association, American Legion, Disabled American Veterans and Veterans of Foreign Wars.

[10] Reemployment of Veterans Under Collective Bargaining, United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, October, 1947, Statement of Employment Principles dated October 7, 1946, App. D, pp. 46-48; and see Bulletin of Retraining and Reemployment Administration, United States Department of Labor, October 10, 1946, p. 5; Harbison, Seniority Problems During Demobilization and Reconversion, Industrial Relations Section, Department of Economics and Social Institutions, Princeton University (1944) 12-14.

[11] Collective Bargaining Provisions—Seniority, Bull. No. 908-11, United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics (1949), quotes many seniority clauses as examples of those then in use and including many factors other than length of employment. Among those quoted is the following:

"61. Veteran Not Previously Employed Given Seniority Credit for Time Spent in Armed Forces.

"Any veteran of World War II who has been discharged, other than dishonorably, from the armed forces of the United States and who immediately prior to his acceptance in the armed forces was not previously employed by [name of company] and who is employed by [name of company] within twelve (12) months after his discharge, provided it is his first place of employment after his discharge, shall take his place on the seniority list after completing the sixty (60) day trial period. His seniority shall be computed from the day of his acceptance into the armed forces. However, no veteran covered by this section shall have seniority prior to December 7, 1941." P. 13.
 
Because the 17 year guy was the last pilot on the East seniority list and the first on that list to be furloughed.

The bottom pilot from each respective list should be the first two pilots furloughed.

You want to give that East pilot a wind fall by furloughing more than half of the West pilots before him.

By the way, I'm an East pilot.
What if all or most of the reductions are from the former West system, as is the case now?

There comes a time when you have to stop looking at groups and start looking at people. Why should a guy that worked 17 years get furloughed before a guy that was here 6 months? I'll tell you when. NEVER!

We know who you are. One of those "gimme, gimme, I want mine" ALPA lovers.

It'll be great to see the MDA guys win their DFR against ALPA. That'll put the entire NIC thing to bed for good.
 
What if all or most of the reductions are from the former West system, as is the case now?

There comes a time when you have to stop looking at groups and start looking at people. Why should a guy that worked 17 years get furloughed before a guy that was here 6 months? I'll tell you when. NEVER!

We know who you are. One of those "gimme, gimme, I want mine" ALPA lovers.

It'll be great to see the MDA guys win their DFR against ALPA. That'll put the entire NIC thing to bed for good.


A greater number of East pilots have been eliminated since the merger than West.
 
Actually, the Supreme Court stated a union's DFR was more narrow than just "wide range of reasonableness,’ that it is wholly ‘irrational’ or ‘arbitrary." That applies only to the arbitrary prong of the three prong test of DFR. The other two prongs are discrimination and bad faith. So USAPA's seniority proposal, if incorporated in a ratified contract, could be within a wide range of reasonableness and still be a violation of it's DFR responsibility if it were either discriminatory or in bad faith.

To quote the Supreme Court:

Although there is admittedly some variation in the way in which our opinions have described the unions' duty of fair representation, we have repeatedly identified three components of the duty, including a prohibition against "arbitrary" conduct. Writing for the Court in the leading case in this area of the law, Justice White explained:

"The statutory duty of fair representation was developed over 20 years ago in a series of cases involving alleged racial discrimination by unions certified as exclusive bargaining representatives under the Railway Labor Act, see Steele v. Louisville & N.R. Co., 323 U.S. 192 [65 S.Ct. 226]; Tunstall v. Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen, 323 U.S. 210 [65 S.Ct. 235, 89 L.Ed. 187 (1944) ], and was soon extended to unions certified under the N.L.R.A., see Ford Motor Co. v. Huffman, supra. Under this doctrine, the exclusive agent's statutory authority to represent all members of a designated unit includes a statutory obligation to serve the interests of all members without hostility or discrimination toward any, to exercise its discretion with complete good faith and honesty, and to avoid arbitrary conduct. Humphrey v. Moore, 375 U.S. [335], at 342 [84 S.Ct. 363, at 367, 11 L.Ed.2d 370 (1964) ].


Jim

PS - earlier I made the point that O'Neill v ALPA concerned a group of US pilots claiming that ALPA had violated it's DFR responsibility when it agreed to the termination of the DB contract. That was my error - I mistakenly clicked on the Vaughn v ALPA decision stored on my computer instead of O'Neill v ALPA.
 
In summary, Nic is not the standard. It is not even a guidepost. It is merely a fix point that ALPA came up with in its internal process, and it may or may not fall within that wide range of reasonableness. But frankly, Nic won't matter because Nic will not be on trial, it will be whether or not the USAPA solution falls within that wide range.

Actually, you are way off base and pulling together bits and phrases to mix a coctail of BS to formulate an arguement.

You are right about one thing only in that incredibly long post. The Nic will not be on trial. Who or what will be on trial, usapa will, just like the last time. And it will not be wether DOH or any usapa proposal falls within a wide range of reasonableness. It will be, just like the last time, did usapa abandon the arbitrated Nicolau award, for the purpose of advantaging east pilots at the expense of West pilots, therby failing the West pilots in their Duty of Fair Representation. Answere, just like the last time, yes.

We all know that the only reason usapa abandons the Nic is because, usapa does not think the Nic was fair. usapa does not think a West pilot with more LOS than a furloughed east pilot deserves to be senior to him. As the usapa web board said, they would right the wrong, i.e. take from West pilots and give to east pilots. When asked if all employed West pilots should be furloughed prior to an east pilot, F/O Bradfords response, well of course you are all junior, ( got that one on video tape).

Get it yet? You are not getting DOH, anything less than the Nic, get sued, waste money, lose "unquestionably ripe" DFR.
 
9th circuit, Reason #5 that it is not ripe, pg. 8007, para. 1 (emphasis added)

"Not until the airline responds to the proposal, the parties complete negotiations, and the membership ratifies the CBA will the West Pilots actually be affected by USAPA’s seniority proposal — whatever USAPA’s final proposal ultimately is."

Yep, that clearly states when we would actually be affected by your DFR violation alright. i.e. anything other than the Nic.
 
Yea, and if you Westies want to strenthen your case you better pass up those 330 left and right seats
that you can hold in a year or two with DOH....better not take ANY left seat on the new bids....lest you
weaken your case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NPJB

You talking about the 5 growth 330s that west pilots could hold now? Or are you talking about the fact that the fake union is stealing our jobs and disadvantaging West pilots in favor of east pilots?

Please clarify.
 
Good post. Sound logic. Just two comments.

First off I think that your arguement about an impasse is misplaced. The only impasse that would be created is between the company and the pilot group for getting enough economics to accept the Nic and vote in a TA. There is no impasse between or amongst the pilot group just between the union and the company, because the dual process was eliminated with the new union.

Second is the issue as defined during trial, namely that the west pilots charged that the union was created exclusively for the express purpose of avoiding the Nic but are nonetheless still bound to use the Nic. The question that the ninth failed to answer was the “thorny” issue of the union’s obligation to the “process” which produced the Nic. That process is “contractual”, meaning part of the Transition Agreement, an amendment to the east and west contracts and signed by east, west, and company. That is the $64,000 question, whether or not the union’s obligation to negotiate in good faith includes complying with the terms of the Transition Agreement concerning seniority integration and using the Nic.


The following, taken from the Transition Agreement, may shed some light on the issue of what the parties are entitled to do with respect to this agreement.

XII. Effective Date, Modification, Status of Letter of Agreement, and Duration
This Letter of Agreement:

A. Will take effect on the date of execution set forth below;

B. May be modified by written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively;

C. Does not alter or modify any term of any agreement between the Association and an Airline Party, which remain in full force and effect in accordance with the terms, except as set forth herein.

D. Governs in case of conflict between one of its terms and a provision of a collective bargaining agreement between the Association and an Airline Party;

E. Will remain in effect in accordance with its terms until each of the provisions herein has been fulfilled, unless sooner terminated by

1. Written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively; or
2. Termination of the Merger Agreement;
3. At the discretion of the Association, failure of consummation of the Merger Agreement prior to October 31, 2005.


It would seem that the parties can modify or terminate the agreement.
 
The following, taken from the Transition Agreement, may shed some light on the issue of what the parties are entitled to do with respect to this agreement.

XII. Effective Date, Modification, Status of Letter of Agreement, and Duration
This Letter of Agreement:

A. Will take effect on the date of execution set forth below;

B. May be modified by written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively;

C. Does not alter or modify any term of any agreement between the Association and an Airline Party, which remain in full force and effect in accordance with the terms, except as set forth herein.

D. Governs in case of conflict between one of its terms and a provision of a collective bargaining agreement between the Association and an Airline Party;

E. Will remain in effect in accordance with its terms until each of the provisions herein has been fulfilled, unless sooner terminated by

1. Written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively; or
2. Termination of the Merger Agreement;
3. At the discretion of the Association, failure of consummation of the Merger Agreement prior to October 31, 2005.


It would seem that the parties can modify or terminate the agreement.

This is a fact the West pilots seem they have a right to....The "West MEC" no longer exists. The "East MEC" no longer exists.

AOL exists to satisfy the overwhelming ego of Eric Ferguson, the self-proclaimed anti-labor leader at Flight options. You know, the guy who is proud of keeping that companies pilots from a labor union by bribing them??? Oh, and hires an anti-labor law firm like Posinelli-Shubert, to attack you and tell you your a criminal??? Here is what he thinks of East pilots:

"In the real world if a person stated they were going to shoot you, wrote about it professing to carry it out, bought the gun and bullets, and then went to your home in search of you to carry it out, they would be guilty of several crimes. Law enforcement, and ultimately the courts would not wait until the bullet was out of the gun and on its way to your body to find the case ripe."

Metaphor or wish???

Make no mistake, Eric, the Cactus plaintiffs and a small cadre of West pilots have no shame and are doing everything they can to destroy everyone's careers. They believe East pilots are CRIMINALS!!!

Eric and his cohorts make the management of the BP oil spill look like a drip from a childs sippy-cup.

Does anybody really TRUST him and his minions to run ANYTHING??

All he has managed to do was force everyone to spend MILLIONS of dollars...remember, the six "affected" pilots were West pilots.

And he still tells you that "Very few En Banc petitions get anywhere so we do not want to mislead anyone about our chances of success."

So, regardless of what you ALL post here, there is one fact that remains: THE LAWSUIT BEGINS FROM SCRATCH!!!

Of course, participation from the likes of "Caped Marauder" and his ALPA shills certainly portray unionism to be a nightmare situation. They hate East pilots almost as much as West pilots...that's why they can't look at themselves in the mirror.
 
You talking about the 5 growth 330s that west pilots could hold now? Or are you talking about the fact that the fake union is stealing our jobs and disadvantaging West pilots in favor of east pilots?

Please clarify.

Certainly willing to clarify.....SOUR GRAPES!!

As usual, West pilots continue to whine on this forum.
 
I think everyone on this board is going to find true that the courts are going to give internal union affairs wide berth. Especially in this day and age. Pulling off a DFR suit successfully is not an easy task. A DOH contract with conditions and restrictions to protect the West will easily pass the test of fairness. Expecting to benefit from years of service not actually served, in order to jump the line ahead of another pilot, will not fly.
 
Wrong again. The NIC, under our present contract, is the only seniority list until a different one is negotiated and a new contract is ratified.

If that were the case, then the current furloughs would have been 100% from the east side. Nice try, but wrong again (as most ALPA apologists are.)

The fact of the matter is that there are two seniority lists functioning, and neither one bears any resemblance to the Nicolau list. (The third list of pilots hired after Nicolau published his disgraceful abomination is non-funtional since all those pilots are on furlough.)
 
... Who or what will be on trial, usapa will, just like the last time. And it will not be wether DOH or any usapa proposal falls within a wide range of reasonableness. It will be, just like the last time, did usapa abandon the arbitrated Nicolau award, for the purpose of advantaging east pilots at the expense of West pilots, therby failing the West pilots in their Duty of Fair Representation. Answere, just like the last time, yes. ...

It will not be like the last time because the 9th opinion is now law (and is especially applicable to any future breach of DFR allegations).

It is unquestionable that USAPA will be negotiating THEIR proposal with the COMPANY....

"At this point, neither the West Pilots nor USAPA can be certain what seniority proposal ultimately will be acceptable to both USAPA and the airline as part of a final CBA." (pg. 8006)

It is unquestionable that no DFR suit will go forward until the USAPA proposal is ratified by the pilots....

"Not until the airline responds to the proposal, the parties complete negotiations, and the membership ratifies the CBA will the West Pilots actually be affected by USAPA’s seniority proposal — whatever USAPA’s final proposal [that is ratified] ultimately is. (pg. 8007)

It is unquestionable that the 9th has acknowledged that their is no certainty that the Nic would have ever passed as a solution to the internal union dispute...

"It is, however, at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever would be effectuated." (pg. 8007)

It is unquestionable that the 9th went further and stated that if USAPA is forced to bargain with the Nic, no contract will pass.....

"Forced to bargain for the Nicolau Award, any contract USAPA could negotiate would undoubtedly be rejected by its membership" (pg. 8007)

Thus it is abundantly clear that 9th has given USAPA absolute protection and justification for establishing THEIR proposal on something other than the Nic, because all pilots would be harmed by persisting with the Nic and failing to get a contract.

This isn't about protecting one group to the harm of the other during an internal dispute. The 9th made it clear this is about protecting all pilots during negotiations with the company.

The Supreme Court has ruled on what the standard of duty is.
 
It will not be like the last time because the 9th opinion is now law (and is especially applicable to any future breach of DFR allegations).
Gee now USAPA has rewritten the US Constitution?

Since when does a court ruling make a law without Congress passing it and the President signing it?

No law was created because of the decision.

I love it, did the East Pilots all pass the Bar now and are lawyers too?
 
You talking about the 5 growth 330s that west pilots could hold now? Or are you talking about the fact that the fake union is stealing our jobs and disadvantaging West pilots in favor of east pilots?

Please clarify.
That "fake union" and Seham, the devil incarnate, proved to be the undoing of the Nic.
 
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