Father-A,
Waste replying directly to thirdhero. His story doesnt make sense. He should just sign his posts with his ALPO staff #, not a pilot, not working at LCC and yet a union member who cares about all this? Notice hes picked up on the fiction that USAPA has fewer members than non-members, brought up by the Tiger. He wants proof that only the next LM-2 can provide. And hes going to rethink his uniformed "position" based on bogus LM-2 #s?
Tiger,
Out-of-date numbers you now know are bogus dont make debate. Truth does. USAPA doesnt conveniently or inconveniently report anything but the truth to the DOL. Under penalty of law, USAPA reports the facts. Would you want USAPA to lie to the DOL and add the 600 before they were voted in? You lie, DOL comes down hard.
Tiger, you wrote: “This is a false statement as objector/challengers cannot be members of the union.â€
There is no reporting category called “objectors.†Lets see one shred of DOL-language that says differnt. You ridicule, making things up and expect us to ignore it. Whether a west member joined with reservations or not is immaterial. They joined. I still say that if you all would join and have the solidarity you claim (Im sure you do), with support from our too senior to care about the NIC and the ALPO-phyles, you get control of the union and can vote down anything. But youd rather just flame-throw and make things up. I dont get it. Wopr said it right:
How bout this. If the non paying dues members would pay dues, then through a majority vote they would dictate the direction of the new union. Instead they protest by not getting involved and keep complaining. If you don't pay dues don't complain. Just a thought wopr
If the west really has the unity they say they have and we have the disunity they say we have, they could control this union. But according to their “information,†east pilots are quitting USAPA in droves. If thats true, then thats fewer votes to help the west. Theyre defeating themselves.
Then we got electricjet98:
USAPA will be financially bankrupted by the lack of paying members and shown to be morally bankrupt by the court action seeking the injunction. Many of us (probably, the majority) are not thrilled with ALPA, but we know that USAPA is a dismal failure. Not wishing to split the anti-USAPA vote between ALPA and other potential bargaining agents, we'll almost certainly (and grudgingly) vote for ALPA to prevent USAPA from causing everyone further harm.
Jet, where you getting this financial BK stuff? With over $450K coming in a month from East pilots alone, thats more money than both east and west kept before ALPO got its grubby hands on our ALPO-dues. USAPA a failure? Theyve been in office only 6 months and they put together a contract demand complete with a seniority list, something ALPO couldnt do in three years after the merger announcement. And comparing USAPAs pay scale to the best ALPO could do: $150/hr (a320), USAPA: $181/hr. No, we probably wont end up there, but at least they didnt show up with a white flag. ALPO had a year after the NIC and not only couldnt get a contract approved, but they couldnt even hold onto the property. If USAPA fails, theyll be removed in summer 2011, but dont count on ALPO winning that election. Theyll be competing with the IBT and anyone else who wants $10M/yr in dues money. Snooper
