US IAM Fleet Service topic 9/23-

[700UW]

The Attendance Control will be one arbitration, not 100, it will be over the policy, not each individual grievance, they will be lumped together as one.

Arbitration scheduling can take up to a year or more when you actually get into the hearing, they are all backlogged.

Remember all the cases have to go through the previous steps, and system board only meets four times a year, so the grievance has to go through system board before it can be scheduled for arbitration.

 

[ChockJockey]

The Attendance Control will be one arbitration, not 100, it will be over the policy, not each individual grievance, they will be lumped together as one.

Arbitration scheduling can take up to a year or more when you actually get into the hearing, they are all backlogged.

Remember all the cases have to go through the previous steps, and system board only meets four times a year, so the grievance has to go through system board before it can be scheduled for arbitration.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[necigrad]

It's troubling that the "New Direction" ran in part on a campaign of communication, which they aren't doing. The membership deserves occasional updates. We haven't heard about this arbitration for months (probably close to a year). LAS has had fleet reduced by over 50%, several other stations have also been reduced or eliminated, and yet a week later there is not even a MENTION on the DL141 website. DL141 also promised to post a copy of the CBA after a review; they have since (in like January) established numerous errors exist but still have failed to uphold their posting promise.

 

[hp-csr-phx]

Not a peep out of the CWA/IBT. Here is a link to our IBT website. Last updated 2 years ago.

http://www.flyteamsters.org/

 

[goodfellow]

It's troubling that the "New Direction" ran in part on a campaign of communication, which they aren't doing. The membership deserves occasional updates. We haven't heard about this arbitration for months (probably close to a year). LAS has had fleet reduced by over 50%, several other stations have also been reduced or eliminated, and yet a week later there is not even a MENTION on the DL141 website. DL141 also promised to post a copy of the CBA after a review; they have since (in like January) established numerous errors exist but still have failed to uphold their posting promise.

There phone # and email are listed on the DL 141 website! Why not ask your question direct???

 

[Jester]

It's troubling that the "New Direction" ran in part on a campaign of communication, which they aren't doing. The membership deserves occasional updates. We haven't heard about this arbitration for months (probably close to a year). LAS has had fleet reduced by over 50%, several other stations have also been reduced or eliminated, and yet a week later there is not even a MENTION on the DL141 website. DL141 also promised to post a copy of the CBA after a review; they have since (in like January) established numerous errors exist but still have failed to uphold their posting promise.

Mr. Necigrad,

And yet, you are surprised by the "New Direction" team's neglect? The people in charge now were telling the West to go pound desert sand while they negotiate for what could be years to get a better CBA during the last contract vote, as West earns 40% less. Boss Canale for all of his flaws (and there were many), at least, had enough consideration to bring West into pay parity with East, albeit all too slowly. Sorry, this is an "Eastcentric" organization and the West are just parasites in the "New Direction" minds.

So LAS loses over 200 FSA's and not a peep from DL141 website? Any bets the large majority of furloughs were West people who had not been working for an East entity for past 30 years? Here's a bitter pill... a former West hub becomes mostly East employees. Have another round of cuts in PIT and there will be weeping, and wailing and the gnashing of online teeth. Hopefully, if a large number of LAS furloughs head towards PHL and CLT, they will teach East how to load a plane right. I know when I work LAS flights the bags are actually separated within the bins by CONX and Locals, and yes, even stacked with the tags facing out, and the bin nets are up too! It can be done!

In terms of calling or emailing DL141, am I sure you could find an adequate wall for which you could communicate directly and achieve the same effect, or just find a Manager, as they will be as equally helpful.

So Evaluates Jester.

 

[WHISPERJETT]

Mr. Necigrad,

And yet, you are surprised by the "New Direction" team's neglect? The people in charge now were telling the West to go pound desert sand while they negotiate for what could be years to get a better CBA during the last contract vote, as West earns 40% less. Boss Canale for all of his flaws (and there were many), at least, had enough consideration to bring West into pay parity with East, albeit all too slowly. Sorry, this is an "Eastcentric" organization and the West are just parasites in the "New Direction" minds.

Soas equally h LAS loses over 200 FSA's and not a peep from DL141 website? Any bets the large majority of furloughs were West people who had not been working for an East entity for past 30 years? Here's a bitter pill... a former West hub becomes mostly East employees. Have another round of cuts in PIT and there will be weeping, and wailing and the gnashing of online teeth. Hopefully, if a large number of LAS furloughs head towards PHL and CLT, they will teach East how to load a plane right. I know when I work LAS flights the bags are actually separated within the bins by CONX and Locals, and yes, even stacked with the tags facing out, and the bin nets are up too! It can be done!

In terms of calling or emailing DL141, am I sure you could find an adequate wall for which you could communicate directly and achieve the same effect, or just find a Manager, as they will be elpful.

So Evaluates Jester.

 

[necigrad]

There phone # and email are listed on the DL 141 website! Why not ask your question direct???

You're absolutly right, I could. The point, however, is that I shouldn't need to. When 250 employees in just one station, plus an unknown (to me) number from other stations are furloughed the Union should be all over it. No prompting should be necessary, it's COMMON SENSE. In fact, it's not my direct job as a member to watch the DL and ensure that they're doing their job. I believe I elected someone to do that, they're called Trustees.

That as it is, I stood next to someone making a phone call to the DL (no names though, don't want to make it personal) and he was told (OK, I didn't hear what the DL person said, only what was asked and repeated) that the update was actually in progress, and only took so long due to a certain person (who had the traditional responsibility) being on vacation. That same conversation mentioned twice weekly updates. There has been none (that I can see) since early October.

 

[700UW]

It is every union member's job to make sure their reps are doing their job.

And the Trustees' job is not to oversee and make sure reps are doing their jobs, that would be the DL President, the trustees handle the audits and check on district property.

Educate yourself.

 

[P. REZ]

Tally ,
WHAT THE H@LL.. You mean to tell me that we got EX TWU officers representing our IAM members in PHX.. let me guess that smells like

RR all over it. Someone might want to tell them if they want to REPRESENT the membership they have to be objective . A PT is a dues paying member

just as much as a FT . ??? when is their terms up , Sounds like PHX needs to clean house like CLT did a few years ago. A point of interest. IF you want

to represent someone its because you care about keeping the company honest and abiding by the contract. and fighting for the memberships rights.

NOT about getting a AGC JOB. Freedom, here"s your chance to shine your star. IF your GC is corrupt get your meetings in and run for office.


Sidenote: I met one of these guys a few years back if its the same person . I wouldn't trust him with throwing out my trash much less represent me .
I guess the blood money he received for selling out has run out.

Yes, I'm ex-TWU leadership and am on the GC. I'm sure PHX will tell you that I fight for everyone including part-time. I've got 23 years here and started organizing for a Union in the early 90's. No problems here.

 

[Jester]

Yes, I'm ex-TWU leadership and am on the GC. I'm sure PHX will tell you that I fight for everyone including part-time. I've got 23 years here and started organizing for a Union in the early 90's. No problems here.

Oh, my aching head... oh, the irony!

Now I don't exactly who to blame, but neither the IAM or the TWU were particularly supportive of part-timers. Let's recall under the TWU contract part-time people recieved no sick time. They could not obtain insurance for their family under the company's plan for any price.

The current IAM contract provides no moving expenses for part-time employees due to being furloughed (unlike the full-timers). In the event of a furlough allows full-timers with greater seniority to bump part-timers within the same station provide the seniority is higher; however, this does not apply if the part-timer has higher seniority than the full-timer. In addition, part-timers cannot exercise "juniority" whereby they can bump a lower seniority person at another station, although full-timers may do so to another full-timer in the event of a furlough.

Finally, I don't know how many times I heard many within the union leadership complain about part-timers not being committed to the job and should be forced out of the company, regardless if the part-timer has worked 20 years in fleet service.

Now I get to listen to you two claiming to be the real champions of part-timers while both unions have pretty much discounted the value of the part-timers from the beginning?

So Aches Jester.

 

[P. REZ]

Oh, my aching head... oh, the irony!

Now I don't exactly who to blame, but neither the IAM or the TWU were particularly supportive of part-timers. Let's recall under the TWU contract part-time people recieved no sick time. They could not obtain insurance for their family under the company's plan for any price.

The current IAM contract provides no moving expenses for part-time employees due to being furloughed (unlike the full-timers). In the event of a furlough allows full-timers with greater seniority to bump part-timers within the same station provide the seniority is higher; however, this does not apply if the part-timer has higher seniority than the full-timer. In addition, part-timers cannot exercise "juniority" whereby they can bump a lower seniority person at another station, although full-timers may do so to another full-timer in the event of a furlough.

Finally, I don't know how many times I heard many within the union leadership complain about part-timers not being committed to the job and should be forced out of the company, regardless if the part-timer has worked 20 years in fleet service.

Now I get to listen to you two claiming to be the real champions of part-timers while both unions have pretty much discounted the value of the part-timers from the beginning?

So Aches Jester.

Jester,

I am not claiming anything but the fact that I fight for people no matter what. Not championing any cause but the good fight, Union brothers and sisters getting a fair shake.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Oh, my aching head... oh, the irony!

In the event of a furlough allows full-timers with greater seniority to bump part-timers within the same station provided their seniority is higher; however, this does not apply if the part-timer has higher seniority than the full-timer. In addition, part-timers cannot exercise "juniority" whereby they can bump a lower seniority person at another station, although full-timers may do so to another full-timer in the event of a furlough.
Finally, I don't know how many times I heard many within the union leadership complain about part-timers not being committed to the job and should be forced out of the company, regardless if the part-timer has worked 20 years in fleet service.


So Aches Jester.

When furloughs come, there is basically no fulltime parttime. The highest seniority stays, the lowest seniority goes. If a fulltimer is going to be furloughed, they can bump the most junior parttimer in their station. If a parttimer has more seniority than a fulltimer, the fulltimer goes. If that is not how it goes in your station, that is because no one spoke up for themselves. Also no one can bump someone in another station unless you work in that station when the furloughs come.

Parttimers have never been respected. It's mostly because they make their schedules to suit their lifestyle, whereas most fulltimers are stuck in the same old rut and have to be at work five days a week. I'm not picking on any group. I'm just calling it like it is.

Rogue

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Jester,

I am not claiming anything but the fact that I fight for people no matter what. Not championing any cause but the good fight, Union brothers and sisters getting a fair shake.

WRONG!
Union brothers and sisters will never even begin to get a fair shake until we go by a seniority system that is fair to all. You can't have four different seniority systems, and still think everyone is being treated fairly. One system is needed that ALL go by. Then we can start the ball rolling to get in position for negotiations.

Rogue

 

[Tally yo]

Rogue you are only partly correct, a displaced FT employees in vegas with 10 years seniority will be able to displace a junior FT employee in another station. The problem is those stations havent been announced by the company. Out of the 106 FT in vegas being furloughed I expect 70 - 75 percent to transfer to keep a FT job. When this happens you will see junior FT agents in PHX being displaced to either PT or furloughed. I can hear PHX now, we didnt know this could happen, I didnt know that was part of the contract, you mean I now have to work PM instead of AM!! And Necigrad, your AGC was in vegas for two days even spent time down at the cargo house, were you off, or did you not ask the questions while he was there? I think its hard to put something out to the members when the "Packets" havent come out yet and you dont have all facts in front of you and cant answer specifics about what stations will be open for transfer. And yes the last time 141 was updated was in October, but hey Its is November 2nd LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!