US IAM Fleet Service topic 9/23-

[ChockJockey]

Another thing. Quite a few people are sick with flu or symptoms & continue to work because they are scared of the "sick policy" or loss of pay. While other companies are telling people who are sick to stay home US is forcing us to work. Which brings me to the question what is the union doing to fight this sick policy ?

My favorite was the guy connecting bags with cracked ribs. People that should be at home in bed instead loading planes and pushing them out. No points, can't get any more points; once you're on a level you're as good as gone.

They're always trying to hammer in the importance of workplace safety. What a joke. Somebody please tell me, what does Efas do when he's got strep throat and four points on his attendance? I must have missed that poster...

Let's see here:

AIRLINE SICK POLICY PUTTING PASSENGERS AT RISK?

US Airways employees decry attendance policy they say has them working while ill

Clemson Sprauge-Dawley / Arizona Republic

TEMPE, AZ - US Airways employees and passenger advocacy groups are protesting an attendance policy the airline has in place for its gate, ticket counter, and baggage handling employee groups, saying that it intimidates them into performing their job functions even while sick or incapacitated.

Yep. Put the H1N1 angle on it and it's good to go. You know how much local media love stuff like this.

 

[Dog Wonder]

i will speak very slowly and use CAPS SO THAT YOU CAN READ WHAT I'M WRITING AND UNDERSTAND IT ......

IF OUR WORKERS GET SICK AND DIE YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY OUT ON THE LIFE INSURANCE , THAT WILL COST THIS COMPANY MONEY ..... :cold:

MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YOU PAY MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Insurance companies pay on life insurance policies in the unlikely event of an employee death from H1N1.

 

[ChockJockey]

i think i know how to get through to the people at CORP ....

How is it your posts are often showing up in the middle of the thread when they weren't there before? Rather odd.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I think there is a delay on certain posters.

 

[Jester]

Pig and Hog, You are not correct! The old regime was presented the new acp and did nothing!!!! ND08 inherited the acp while just getting started and are still cleaning up arbitration cases that the old left on the side of the road? Look in the mirror KA you are about to have your cute *&^ss handed to you! Pardon me, its not cute at all.

Mr. Goodfellow,

It is convenient for you to blame Boss Canale after his departure, but I doubt the results would have been any better with Mr. Delaney. Unfortunately, this union is "Amateur Hour" from the very top to the very bottom and no one has any business conducting contract negotiations, even with attorneys as advisors. The leadership has demonstrated a severe lack the business savy and the intellectual curiousness to understand the issues that directly impact the well being of its members.

I will ask again as I did months ago... where was the Executive Board when the Tempe Boys were handed carte blanche on the sick policy in our contract? I'll give the benefit of a doubt (for this time only) as the Executive Board are noble, well-meaning, altruistic people devoid of corruption and cronyism; however, that doesn't mean they know what they are doing. I cannot wait to hear the sycophantic defenders of our Executive Board while knowing, maybe one of the Board members has actually graduated with a college bachelors degree, and claim this anti-educational collection of nabobs will lead to a just and decent outcome for the subordinate membership.

By the way, if a ramper does get swine flu, I strongly suggest a personal meeting with the manager on duty alone in a very small office while hacking yellow flem, blowing mucus, disgorging septum, and be sure to shake their hand before and afterwards as a gesture of compromise.

So Anticipates Jester.

 

[orioleman]

jester,
tell ya what since this union you so despise. is so overly democratic I challenge you to throw your hat in the ring and run for a position . Elections
are coming up . So with all your infinite college education you would surely be an added asset to the team.

If you decide NAME DELETED that your not up to it then may I suggest you stick to passing out headsets / wands and other gate supplies from your
broom closet out there in sin city.

If your not willing to step up and do anything about it then your opinion and babbling is just a waste of bandwidth


Be a man about it . You got a problem with your leadership . tell them face to face . Your AGC is there at least once a month . pull him aside
and tell him like it is. Don't hide behind some anonymous handle on the internet

 

[Jester]

jester,
tell ya what since this union you so despise. is so overly democratic I challenge you to throw your hat in the ring and run for a position . Elections are coming up . So with all your infinite college education you would surely be an added asset to the team.

If you decide Dave that your not up to it then may I suggest you stick to passing out headsets / wands and other gate supplies from your broom closet out there in sin city.

If your not willing to step up and do anything about it then your opinion and babbling is just a waste of bandwidth Be a man about it . You got a problem with your leadership . tell them face to face . Your AGC is there at least once a month . pull him aside and tell him like it is. Don't hide behind some anonymous handle on the internet

O-man,

For what are you babbling about? First, I am not "Dave"... Second, what "Sin City"? The apartment complexes off-campus from ASU or LAS station, either way, I know you are clueless.

Strangely, you state I "despise" this union and yet, think I should run for office? That's not much of a sales pitch. Now you cling to the almighty democracy as your salvation, as if some Delphic oracles of wisdom shall come forth from a cabal of anti-intellectuals? I might as well be trying to speak Greek with this membership for them to understand macro economics, and the changing economy and how our expectations needs to be reasonable, instead of reminiscing forlongly at what was once the wage scale. Candidates do not get elected telling people what they don't want to hear, and I am too honest to lie in order to get elected. Get some competent people on the Executive Board and I might re-consider.

If nothing else, may my "waste of bandwidth," as you put it, cause some to reflect, including yourself and remember the adage of when little makes sense even with all the evidence presented, then maybe it is time to check the underlying assumptions. Think about my advice as it relates to unions declining strength and influence as median income has fallen, while avoiding the knee-jerk response of "corporate greed" as the bromide.

So Admonishes Jester.

 

[orioleman]

Strangely, you state I "despise" this union and yet, think I should run for office? That's not much of a sales pitch. Now you cling to the almighty democracy as your salvation, as if some Delphic oracles of wisdom shall come forth from a cabal of anti-intellectuals? I might as well be trying to speak Greek with this membership for them to understand macro economics, and the changing economy and how our expectations needs to be reasonable, instead of reminiscing forlongly at what was once the wage scale. Candidates do not get elected telling people what they don't want to hear, and I am too honest to lie in order to get elected. Get some competent people on the Executive Board and I might re-consider.

If nothing else, may my "waste of bandwidth," as you put it, cause some to reflect, including yourself and remember the adage of when little makes sense even with all the evidence presented, then maybe it is time to check the underlying assumptions. Think about my advice as it relates to unions declining strength and influence as median income has fallen, while avoiding the knee-jerk response of "corporate greed" as the bromide.

So Admonishes Jester.

my remark is called sarcasm by no means was it seriously directed as a sales pitch nor an endorsement for your ability to run for any position.
I'm not bringing up what was once a wage scale. you are. With the exception of that Buffoon of a VP RR. the E-board is very competent . As far as the declining
strength of unions that falls back on the shoulders of members like you that will fight against ANYTHING the UNION does for the betterment of the membership

 

[charlie Brown]

Jester You were talking on another post about the e board involvment when the company was changing our sick policy in our contract. I have heard many people saying the company changed our sick policy in our contract. Well can any of those people out there, please show me where in our contract it says anything about levels of attendance and how many points(new system), or occurrences(old system) it takes to advance in our sick policy. The fact is, unless Im wrong, it dosent state anything. The contract points out how we accrue, use, and get paid for our sick time, but nothing about how you advance through the levels. People need to realize that this is company policy, and yes we can fight a change in company policy and I think we are currently doing just that, but they did not change our sick policy in our contract, and the Union is currently fighting the change in our sick policy, however if someone wants to point out what article the company violated with the new policy and what page, I would appreciate it.

 

[freedom]

my remark is called sarcasm by no means was it seriously directed as a sales pitch nor an endorsement for your ability to run for any position.
I'm not bringing up what was once a wage scale. you are. With the exception of that Buffoon of a VP RR. the E-board is very competent . As far as the declining
strength of unions that falls back on the shoulders of members like you that will fight against ANYTHING the UNION does for the betterment of the membership

without RR we wouldn't have a contract ...

instead we would have the old contract that contined the 60 day rule .... we would all still have the lousy pay scale etc ... look at the pilots and FA's ... Did anyone really want to end up like them ?

and i forget when was the old contract set to expire ? it was at the end of next year right ? ROLF , we might not even be here by the end of next year ..

so i just wanted to say again , thank you RR .

 

[necigrad]

The Attendance Control Policy (or whatever it's called) was put into place BEFORE the new crew took over. It IS in arbitration. There WILL be a decision. It will NOT be tomorrow. Have patience and we'll know what's up.

 

[freedom]

The Attendance Control Policy (or whatever it's called) was put into place BEFORE the new crew took over. It IS in arbitration. There WILL be a decision. It will NOT be tomorrow. Have patience and we'll know what's up.

It’s hard to be patient with a sick policy that unjustly penalizes people for being human .I work with dedicated men and women from all walks of life who are struggling to get by just like I am , and now when disease strikes them or their family members they either have to come into work and suffer through their day , or take an attendance hit that puts them one step closer to joblessness , and that extra step adds a whole new element of stress , it’s like a never ending physical pain as you try to make it through 365 days without an illness or car break down .

When we had the benefit fair here in PHX they were passing out the number for the EAP line like mad , and now I know why . Our company would rather compound the mental anguish of it’s workers and use a cost effective way of dealing with that stress rather than addressing it head on .

Who among us never get’s sick ? Who among us has never had a relative that they have had to care for ? Are we any less human than those in upper management for whom an entirely different set of rules applies ?

Apparently so …

 

[The Janitor]

This policy was the first one your Company handed your ND-08 AGC's after they got elected and your new AGC's said they were going to arbitrate the sick policy, that was...oh yeah...a YEAR ago!!! How many agents have already been disiplined or terminated at US Airways because of this lack of representation?

IMO, I think any attendance arbitration will be difficult to win since the other thing that got handed down to the ND-08 AGC's was Randy Canale's contract that remarkably never negotiated attendance language. I hope I'm wrong so it's good to see the ND-08 team give it a shot.

While it is unfortunate for anyone to get unfairly disciplined or terminated as a result of this new sick policy, the reason why such terminations occur is the direct result of working for a company that has no respect for its employees, and indirectly a result of previous representation that made no attempt to engage or negotiate such crucial items as attendance and future health care costs.

Thankfully, many of those who were previously responsible for the lack of representation are no longer in such capacity.

The Janitor

 

[bagchucker]

Unfortunately, tomorrow's Company announcement will have more Fleet Service furloughs in it. :down:

 

[orioleman]

without RR we wouldn't have a contract ...

instead we would have the old contract that contined the 60 day rule .... we would all still have the lousy pay scale etc ... look at the pilots and FA's ... Did anyone really want to end up like them ?

and i forget when was the old contract set to expire ? it was at the end of next year right ? ROLF , we might not even be here by the end of next year ..

so i just wanted to say again , thank you RR .

Thanks for clarifying that . So we can THANK him for losing those 18 cities what was that about 600 jobs. WAY to go there Pal
Guys out there on furlough or just been bumped to the east coast and are doing 2 and 3 leg commutes.. Be sure to send your
good pal RR a Christmas card with a great big THANK YOU for pushing to sell out your jobs for a few pieces of silver

and freedom . the contract was amendable on dec 31 2009, But that was Highly unlikely to happen since we had a gun to Uncle Al's head
but superman RR jumped in and took all the bullets out of it.. AGAIN a BIG THANK YOU.. RR. and freedom keep up the fight lets see what else we
can lose the next time. OOOPs sorry I forgot you won't be around for a next time..