US Airways Pilots' Labor Thread 7/14-7/21 NO PERSONAL REMARKS

[Hate2fly]

This is actually usual for a losing party to file for a new trial. That, and another is a motion for the judge to set aside the verdict.

They almost never (like 0.000001 % of the time) get granted.

Hey any of you honest and trustworthy men of integrity out west ever take a polygraph?

"black balled" by the erroneous polygraph results from the FBI

 

[HPDriver]

Hey any of you honest and trustworthy men of integrity out west ever take a polygraph?

"black balled" by the erroneous polygraph results from the FBI

Ummmm, what?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Could it be that maybe you guys want to blame everyone but yourselves in this little drama? Could it be that the rest of the world is not wrong that possibly it could be that you guys are the problem?

Exactly. Just because the East has worked hard at making enemies with everyone, that doesn't mean they got an unfair arbitration or an unfair trial. The irrefutable fact is that our legal system is built on the concept of equality before the law, and we have an elaborate system of checks and balances to insure all receive equal opportunities to be heard. Any objective examination of what has occurred since USAPA came into existence is that they have received an incredible amount of deference to act and then to defend their acts. It's pure delusion to think that USAPA is getting "screwed" based on the record.

 

[HPDriver]

Can I get a show of east hands that think Seham's latest filing for a new trial is a good move.

And another show of hands if you don't care that it's costing you about a grand a page.

 

[Hate2fly]

Exactly. Just because the East has worked hard at making enemies with everyone, that doesn't mean they got an unfair arbitration or an unfair trial. The irrefutable fact is that our legal system is built on the concept of equality before the law, and we have an elaborate system of checks and balances to insure all receive equal opportunities to be heard. Any objective examination of what has occurred since USAPA came into existence is that they have received an incredible amount of deference to act and then to defend their acts. It's pure delusion to think that USAPA is getting "screwed" based on the record.

I remember someone on the west side saying this in the past!

Besides being a pilot, I'm also a lawyer and a former prosecuting attorney (probably should've

never left, but I can go back anytime). My father is a retired federal judge, my 3 brothers are

lawyers, and I have one other district court judge in the family. Just to give a background of

where I'm coming from.

 

[cleardirect]

This is actually usual for a losing party to file for a new trial. That, and another is a motion for the judge to set aside the verdict.

They almost never (like 0.000001 % of the time) get granted.

OK! I can maybe understand one motion for retrial. But two? How much money is usapa going give Seham?

Document #567

III. RELIEF REQUESTED.

Defendant requests that this Court grant Defendant’s motion, issue an order
setting aside the verdict for Plaintiffs, order judgment as a matter of law pursuant to
Rule 50(B) in favor of Defendant, conditionally (pursuant to Rule 50©(1)) order a new
trial, and thereafter order judgment in Defendant’s favor.

Come on really how many do overs does usapa want? Can none of you east guys accept a loss, ever?

 

[HPDriver]

I remember someone on the west side saying this in the past!

Besides being a pilot, I'm also a lawyer and a former prosecuting attorney (probably should've

never left, but I can go back anytime). My father is a retired federal judge, my 3 brothers are

lawyers, and I have one other district court judge in the family. Just to give a background of

where I'm coming from.

Boy I hope you're kidding around with that "I'm also a lawyer and a former prosecuting attorney stuff" because I see you lack even the basics of identifying the parties involved in our lawsuit.

If I remember correctly you wrote:

In addition, US Airways was not a party to the lawsuit, so the federal court likely lacks jurisdiction over the airline to order its implementation of the seniority list.

To which hp_fa had to correct you with:

By the way your statement contains a glaring factual error. The Company is indeed a party to the suit. They were dismissed from actual wrongdoing very early on in the case, but they were never entirely dismissed from the case. That is how Judge Wake compelled their attendance on two days notice for the hearing that took place yesterday.

I recognized that error too because I'm a former judge and ADA.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Besides being a pilot, I'm also a lawyer and a former prosecuting attorney

If true, then the futility of USAPA's legal campaign would have been immediately apparent to you, just as it would be immediately apparent to any 1L after the first semester.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Where's the ruling? I guess it takes time to rewrite 50 years of labor laws.

 

[nic4us]

Where's the ruling? I guess it takes time to rewrite 50 years of labor laws.

Hey, it is 110 out here in the shade, would you want to be wearing a black robe and working on a polite way to tell Seham he does not understand that 50+ years. Court room and chambers have A/C, judge is probably taking his time staying out of the heat.

 

[luvthe9]

I recognized that error too because I'm a former judge and ADA.

You left a great job as a judge to go to work for America West, not to bright I see.

 

[HPDriver]

...not to bright I see.

Likewise. Especially what you can't pick out a facetious statement.

 

[HPDriver]

Where's the ruling? I guess it takes time to rewrite 50 years of labor laws.

He's not rewriting labor law, he's upholding it. He's shutting the door on USAPA's blatant disregard for labor law and that's going to take a bit of time.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

You left a great job as a judge to go to work for America West, not to bright I see.

Item Two: The Negotiating Advisory Committee issued an update today thanking pilots for your overwhelming demonstration of solidarity during our negotiations with the Company this week. Your display of unity did not go unnoticed, and today the NAC is asking that you again act in unison by returning your badge backers to blue and awaiting the next call to demonstrate our cohesiveness.

 

[prechilill]

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C. The Formation and Election of USAPA
Another story was unfolding during this course of events. On May 16, 2007,
shortly after the issuance of the Nicolau Award, East Pilot Stephen Bradford wrote a
letter to the ALPA Executive Board announcing his intent to leave ALPA. He voiced
hostility to the Nicolau Award, claiming that he did not want to leave the union but that

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the Nicolau Award left him little choice. In his view, it was necessary to leave in order to
“write our own merger policy into our bylawsâ€￾ and “just to protect what little we [East
Pilots] have left.â€￾ [Ex. 107 at 1-2.] He asserted that the East Pilots’ majority status in the
union would enable them to achieve their aims. He and other East Pilots formed a
committee to explore how to prevent implementation of the Nicolau Award by forming
and certifying a new union with a different seniority objective.Case 2:08-cv-01633-NVW Document 593 Filed 07/17/2009 Page 10 of 53



I thought the anonymous east pilots on here said USAPA really wasn't about the Nicolau award??? God you guys are so transparent! Do you really believe your own lies, or do you just expect everyone else to believe your gross distortions of facts? Obviously a Federal Judge understands your true character and intent.