TWU negotiations.........what?

[texasreb]

Isn't this one of AMFA's points?

What makes a union man?

AMFA let the scabs at Northwest in, who are now non union Delta mechanics. How ironic.

 

[Buck]

AMFA let the scabs at Northwest in, who are now non union Delta mechanics. How ironic.

That may be, but the irony is that AMFA represented mechanics lead the industry in pay.

I believe that the Scabs let themselves in.

Does it take the AFL-CIO to qualify for unionism?

What makes a union man?

 

[Super FLUF]

Pilots made the same mistake we made, we didnt take the better offer before us so now we and you are screwed.

There was not a better offer before us. That is the reason it never made it even past our negotiating committee. Sans the "generous" 1% raise, the company's proposals looked like a 1113c wish list. Hence the decision that if the company wanted their Christmas wish list, they should have to take it in BK court rather than giving it away and subsidize an inept and incompetent management team for several more years. Nothing would have changed over the next several years - we would have just kicked the can down the road and declared later.

There is a very small amount of pilots that believe we could have "saved the company" from BK, and an even smaller amount that regret the path we chose. I am very comfortable with our legal representation and I sleep very well at night.

Good luck to you and yours.

 

[TWU informer]

There was not a better offer before us. That is the reason it never made it even past our negotiating committee. Sans the "generous" 1% raise, the company's proposals looked like a 1113c wish list. Hence the decision that if the company wanted their Christmas wish list, they should have to take it in BK court rather than giving it away and subsidize an inept and incompetent management team for several more years. Nothing would have changed over the next several years - we would have just kicked the can down the road and declared later.

There is a very small amount of pilots that believe we could have "saved the company" from BK, and an even smaller amount that regret the path we chose. I am very comfortable with our legal representation and I sleep very well at night.

Good luck to you and yours.

Well the company published proposal allowed you to keep your pension, I believe in two options.

Now you have none.

I remember Pilots thinking they had good legal representation when a Judge gave AA $45million over a sick out

 

[dfw gen]

View PostSuper FLUF, on 07 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:
There was not a better offer before us. That is the reason it never made it even past our negotiating committee. Sans the "generous" 1% raise, the company's proposals looked like a 1113c wish list. Hence the decision that if the company wanted their Christmas wish list, they should have to take it in BK court rather than giving it away and subsidize an inept and incompetent management team for several more years. Nothing would have changed over the next several years - we would have just kicked the can down the road and declared later.

There is a very small amount of pilots that believe we could have "saved the company" from BK, and an even smaller amount that regret the path we chose. I am very comfortable with our legal representation and I sleep very well at night.

Good luck to you and yours.



Well the company published proposal allowed you to keep your pension, I believe in two options.

Now you have none.
1113 (c - Your Worst Nightmare = And You Thought the T/A Was Bad!


Informer you really need to not worry so much. it is what it is. i'll tell you what ill explain it to you:

turning down the ta was the best thing we could do. Now when the section 1113c comes up we can say they offered this, so they should be able to afford it. so we will probably end up with the ta that we turned down PLUS a little more (less) like no retiree medical, frozen pension, that 25% spin off cap with a guarantee of employment? probably that too, can you say that i weld for $26.00 an hour?. NOW if we took the ta we negotiate DOWN from there. All that crap PLUS even more(oh i mean less) yea i know but we would have more in our pockets, did you ever play dominoes? ever hear the saying "all money isn't good money"?

Really now if you did not learn your lesson after 9/11 you were foolish. come on now when you live off overtime and the gravy train comes to a screeching halt did you not say "gee i better get my sh*t straight?" after 2003 when we gave back back all the concessions did you not wake up and say "gee i better get my sh*t straight"? did you not look around and see the place being run in to the ground the last ten years? really the signs are all over the place did you not see them? Personally im glad they made a decision to do something even if it is bankruptcy. if we are lucky they wont fu*k up this wet dream! you have 83' seniority did it not occur to you to get your A&P? NOOO its easier to #### about what assho*es everyone else is for turning down the chump change ta. if you thought that ta would be your saving grace dude your screwed. stand up be a man grow a set and take what comes your way, it was your choice not to prepare!

 

[Super FLUF]

Now you have none.

Incorrect.

B fund is still intact, and we are waiting to see whether the A fund is terminated or frozen.

Regardless, pilots such as the DAL pilots who have been through BK have emerged with 11% b-fund plus a 2% 401k company contribution. As far as I am concerned, that is better than we have now. In addition, they make more than we do and get yearly profit sharing checks that are around $12,000 for Captains and $8,000 for FOs.

Thank you for your concern with our well being.

 

[dfw gen]

super fluff your wasting your time. informer and overspeed are grasping at straws he spent the last ten years with his head in the sand, now its like oh sh*t what do i do?

 

[Goey]

And become one of those evil bastards that is to blame for all of this?
Are you Kidding? No Way! I already have enough blame because I work in Tulsa, at the overhaul base, and don't have an A&P.
I don't need anymore blame than that, it is plenty! I already cannot measure up to those that are superior, and becoming one of the evil bastards would be too much burden.

Haven't you heard? Those eveil bastards took bonus awards.

Oh boy TI you don't have an A&P sorry to say you are ignorant. Good luck I don't think that senioritys gonna help you.

 

[Bob Owens]

I remember Pilots thinking they had good legal representation when a Judge gave AA $45million over a sick out

How much of that Judgement did the Union actually pay?

 

[TWU informer]

How much of that Judgement did the Union actually pay?

Almost half of it!

A $10 million dollar down payment required by the court, and then once the judgement was handed down another $10 million was paid.

The balance of the debt was forgiven. But, seeing as the 2003 concessions were valued at 860-880m in conscessions, I hardly think APA pulled one over on AMR. Even a radical like yourself wouldn't call this a victory?


Doesn't change the fact that they were misguided by their legal representation. Just as you misguide TWU members as a leader and now they are screwed too.

FOR THE RECORD BOB:

July 19, 2003

American waives rest of fine
Pilots union's had still owed $26 million from penalty for 1999 sickout
07/19/2003
By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News

American Airlines Inc. said Friday it has forgiven $26 million of the $45.5 million fine levied against the Allied Pilots Association after its members conducted a 1999 sickout.

The amount represents what the APA still owed the carrier. A federal judge imposed the fine as punishment for the sickout.

The airline waived the $26 million during concessions talks this spring that saved the airline from bankruptcy. But the move wasn't made public until Friday, when American's parent company, AMR Corp., filed its quarterly Securities and Exchange Commission report.

AmericanAirlines®

May 1, 2003

Re: Agreed Settlement

The discussions between the Allied Pilots Association (the "Association") and American Airlines, Inc. ("American") concerning modifications to the collective bargaining agreement of May 5, 1997 have resulted in a tentative agreement dated March 31, 2003, which is subject to ratification by the membership. The Association and American also are currently parties to a Settlement Agreement relating to payment of the damages assessed in American Airlines v. Allied Pilots Association, et al. by the United States District Court, Northern District of Texas, Docket No. 7:99-CV-025-X ("Settlement Agreement"). Under that Settlement Agreement, the parties agreed to a schedule for payment of the unpaid amounts of the damages award. The Settlement Agreement also discusses the remedies in the event of non-payment, including a continuation of liens against property of the APA until the payments described in the Settlement Agreement are made and completed and the judgment is satisfied.

The parties agree that if the tentative agreement of March 31, 2003 fully ratifies and goes into effect, all remaining payment obligations described in the Settlement Agreement will be deemed to have been satisfied. American will thereupon take those steps needed to release all liens against the property of the APA.

If this letter accurately describes our understanding with respect to its subject matter, please sign it below in the space indicated and return a signed copy to me.

Sincerely,
Mark L. Burdette
Director, Employee Relations, Flight



ACCEPTED AND AGREED:

 

[TWU informer]

Oh boy TI you don't have an A&P sorry to say you are ignorant. Good luck I don't think that senioritys gonna help you.

So you are one of those misguided idiots that think your intelligence is measured by your A&P?

And because I don't have that intelligence in my pocket, then seniority will not help me out,


Care to wager on that you fool?

 

[TWU informer]

Incorrect.

B fund is still intact, and we are waiting to see whether the A fund is terminated or frozen.

Regardless, pilots such as the DAL pilots who have been through BK have emerged with 11% b-fund plus a 2% 401k company contribution. As far as I am concerned, that is better than we have now. In addition, they make more than we do and get yearly profit sharing checks that are around $12,000 for Captains and $8,000 for FOs.

Thank you for your concern with our well being.

Yeah, I can see how you are much better off now. ROFL

You also left out one important possibility, and that is the PBGC getting your A-Plan and your benefit cut to the bone.

Seems there are the same type of employees that are blinded by emotions in every work group on the property.

I beleive most if not all Pilots will dearly miss that A-Plan Lump Sum Option.

 

[TWU informer]

super fluff your wasting your time. informer and overspeed are grasping at straws he spent the last ten years with his head in the sand, now its like oh sh*t what do i do?

Superior debate fodder, I cannot compete

Try contributing something worth while to the conversation and I will try to respond in an adult manner!

Like,

Why do you think I am grasping at straws?

Why do you think my head is buried in the sand?

What makes you think I do not know what to do?

Or are you of the mold that thinks "Anyone I disagree with is a stupid redneck from Tulsa without an A&P license" so the best you can come up with to say is that playground rhetoric to display your superior wisdom and ability?

 

[dfw gen]

Informer all an A&P does for you is give you more options. Is an A&P superior to a welder? ONLY when it comes to bumping the system. It all goes back to options as a welder they are kind of limited. Redneck from Tulsa naw your the one that seems to have that hang up, does the title fit? go back and read post #4640 of this thread than go and hide your head in the sand

 

[TWU informer]

Informer all an A&P does for you is give you more options. Is an A&P superior to a welder? ONLY when it comes to bumping the system. It all goes back to options as a welder they are kind of limited. Redneck from Tulsa naw your the one that seems to have that hang up, does the title fit? go back and read post #4640 of this thread than go and hide your head in the sand

We shall soon see if you have a clue. I will remember post #4640 of this thread and if you are still employed by the end of the year I will remind you of the rose colored glass you were looking through and how wrong you are about the process. I am prepared and my only fear is for you and others not myself.

AA will take a bigger bite out of the apple now, not equal or smaller as you have claimed, and if that isn't enough one or two more bites after that.