BigMac
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Anyone with a license can sign work done by an unlicensed employee or employees. An A&P is not required to work on aircraft.
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TWU negotiations.........what?
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High Speed Steel
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- Feb 14, 2004
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I didn't get any of those e-mails. AFW closing was part of the Vermont Plan back in 2003 and of late it has again resurfaced as a popular rumor for the week. Also I haven't heard any TWU rep confirm anything to the content of your e-mails so what you've been told is only rumor from the floor....
Flying low
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- Jul 19, 2011
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Can you post those letters? Those of us who haven't received them would like to read them.
We don't sign for others peoples work here in Miami or any other line station as its a definate nono with the FAA. So if you don't have your A&P good luck bumping the line.....
- Aug 20, 2002
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Someone with a lot of seniority that does not have a license(s) does not have to bump the line, but they can force someone else to bump. Red Circling is the only way to protect the line. And to ever said a Crew Chief cannot get bumped, you better look again. A Crew Chief or an Inspector or for that matter a Tech Crew Chief can bump another.
BigMac
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Wrong it is not a nono for a licensed A&P to sign off work done by an unlicensed employee. If the licensed A&P checks the work ... he or she may sign for it. Like I said, one is not required to possess an A&P to work on aircraft. Crew chiefs must be bumped by a higher senior c/c.
Wretched Wrench
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- Apr 21, 2003
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At some stations, unlicensed mechanics are not allowed to work at the terminal. Don't know where that rule came from, though. Unlicensed mechs sign off work cards at the hangar all the time.
Mr Red
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- May 11, 2010
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There are no unlicensed People working A/C maintence on the line,and if u know of any the FAA needs to be informed !!!
I've never seen an un-licensed aircraft mechanic sign a work card outside of overhaul. With the feds crawling up everybody's a$$, it's tough enough to get licensed A&Ps to sign off on anything.
enough already
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- Jan 8, 2003
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Why is it any different on the "Line" than at OH as far as doing A/C maintenance w/o an a&p?
Mr Red
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The main reason among many is that on the line you sign off in the logbook.
Section 3 in the QAM may answer your question. You can find it in the MANUALS section on the M&E webpage.
Wretched Wrench
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- Apr 21, 2003
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There have always been unlicensed mechanics signing off work cards at line stations. Many unlicensed mechanics with Repairman's Certificates sign log books, as well. These Repairman's Certificates are passed out by the company to get around the license requirement. Persons with suspended or revoked A&P licenses have been given Repairman's Certificates by AA. The FAA does not seem to notice or mind.
From the FAA:
"To get a repairman's certificate, you must be recommended by a repair station, commercial operator, or air carrier. You must
be at least 18 years old;
be able to read, write, speak, and understand English
be qualified to perform maintenance on aircraft or components
be employed or a specific job requiring special qualifications by an FAA-certified Repair Station, commercial operator, or air carrier.
be recommended for the repairman certificate by your employer
have either 18 months practical experience in the specific job or complete a formal training course acceptable to FAA."
From the FAA:
"To get a repairman's certificate, you must be recommended by a repair station, commercial operator, or air carrier. You must
be at least 18 years old;
be able to read, write, speak, and understand English
be qualified to perform maintenance on aircraft or components
be employed or a specific job requiring special qualifications by an FAA-certified Repair Station, commercial operator, or air carrier.
be recommended for the repairman certificate by your employer
have either 18 months practical experience in the specific job or complete a formal training course acceptable to FAA."
Never have heard of it. There is no point to it. AA has plenty of A&Ps, why would they even risk it? Repairman typically have to have all their work inspected. That has to be under the control of the repair station certificate only! I do not know of any line stations - class II or class I's that have a repair station certificate. A few years back when AA was looking at getting into the MRO business, they talked about some sort of system coverage of the repair station certificate; in fact, we had special training just for it. Anyway, all that has long since went out the door.
In fact, the head of training at DFW just said "there is no way that any un-licensed mechanics are working the line, and especially signing log books off. Closest we come are the IFE guys from Rockwell or Panasonic, and all of them have A&Ps anyway.
