Transport Workers and Machinist Union to Jointly Represent Ground Workers at the "New" American Airl

[Anomaly]

This just keeps on getting better

 

[TWU informer]

This just keeps on getting better

"Getting Better"? This profession is going down the tubes because of the division of AMT unionization and this bickering and you laugh and call it better? Really?

 

[Vortilon]

You are either clueless or a International stooge for the TWU or IAM. Nobody in their right mind would vote this in and think it will make us stronger. Leading industry contract? With whom are you referring too? Can not be the TWU or IAM and sure as hell not the Teamsters.

Agreed, this package deal smacks of the Internationals greed, and it's members refusal to lose their cushy unelected positions. So, what do they do? Put together this #### sandwich, cover it with frosting, attempt to present it in such a way that they could sell it to the membership, and hope we are duped yet again.

We AMTs cannot get rid of these type of unions fast enough. It is embarrassing enough to be represented by the TWU as it is, let alone some sort of lame mash-up of the IAM & TWU. That will be a NO vote from me.

VOTE AMFA!

 

[swamt]

"Getting Better"? This profession is going down the tubes because of the division of AMT unionization and this bickering and you laugh and call it better? Really?

That's just the type of person he is and he can't help it.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The best chance for both unions IMO is to vote the association, then allow US to strengthen their position at the table in Sec 6. Obtain a industry leading contract ( if Possible ), and then the transition of both groups could be worth more than the MOU signed earlier this year.......its a position of strength then.......

Hey good luck with that. As for me and my peeps, we`ll be voting AMFA @ AA !!!

 

[mike33]

Hey good luck with that. As for me and my peeps, we`ll be voting AMFA @ AA !!!

Absolutely your choice to vote whomever you like. We all know the majority dont vote(when it comes to voting for a union). I wish that was reversed but its a fact. Wish you luck but i still believe the Association is the way to go. Stength in numbers

 

[swamt]

Absolutely your choice to vote whomever you like. We all know the majority dont vote(when it comes to voting for a union). I wish that was reversed but its a fact. Wish you luck but i still believe the Association is the way to go. Stength in numbers

Good god you sound just like the teamsters, "strength in numbers" That is complete B-S!! It's strength in "action". You can have a very small group as long as they are all on the same page. Strength in numbers is no good if half the group refuses to work with the other half, then it's all in the companies favor.

 

[700UW]

How did that work out for AMFA at NW?

No numbers, no strength.

 

[737823]

How did that work out for AMFA at NW?

No numbers, no strength.

Had the IAMAW not performed ancillary duties and rounded up scabs AMFA would have succeeded.

Josh

 

[700UW]

First of all your lying again.

NW rounded up their own scabs.

And please explain (since everyone on here has told you all ready) how did pushing planes back and air starts break amfa?

No FSA fixed or overhauled an airplane, as by law they cant.

Go back under bridge and stop spreading lies.

NW flew into over 100 stations, and they probably only had mtc at 30 at the most.

So genius, explain to the whole board how pushing a place off the gate or using an air start machine broke the strike?

Since you don know crap, a mechanic's main job is to fix a plane, do the checks or overhaul them, they dont learn air starts and pushing planes at A&P school.

 

[Thomas Paine]

How did that work out for AMFA at NW?

No numbers, no strength.

Better than it did for the IAM a Continental (1983) and as good as EAL (1989?) and NWA. Continental busted the IAM and stayed in business till just a few years ago, At least AMFA at NWA raised the bar for everyone before the IAM at USAIR and UAL (2002) then the TWU at AA (2003) lowered it. NWA never recovered from the AMFA strike, their flight sdchedule was cut 20% and stayed that way and they limped along until Delta bought them and then the IAM was dumped as well.

The IAM got busted at Continental, where the airline hired scabs to do the work or IAM members scabbed, got busted at Eastern, EAL limped along for a while with scab labor with IAM members at Hudson General helping EAL operate and at NWA they were decertified after rolling over when NWA merged with Delta. So much for your strength in numbers. In EAL they gave many concessions prior to the strike, at NWA they also gave many concessions prior to being decertified at least the NWA guys in AMFA kept full pay till the last day.

So the lessen that can be learned is if you dont give them what they want, if they can, they will screw you, if you do give them what they want, if they can, they will screw you.
Better to die on your feet than on your knees.

 

[Kev3188]

... It's strength in "action". You can have a very small group as long as they are all on the same page. Strength in numbers is no good if half the group refuses to work with the other half, then it's all in the companies favor.

+1

The key, then, is to figure out how best to keep the membership (of any union) engaged and active...

 

[Thomas Paine]

Since you don know crap, a mechanic's main job is to fix a plane, do the checks or overhaul them, they dont learn air starts and pushing planes at A&P school.

Well at one time mechanics even used to load the bags. Pilots flew, Stewardesses served, and mechanics did pretty much everything out on the Ramp from servicing, fueling, weight and balance and loading, but that was before even my time. Our Industrial Unions agreed to keep giving mechanics work away to lower paid workers to fluff up the dues revenue.

Actually we do learn Air Starts in A&P school, along with Doping fabric and Weight and Balance. A licence is a license to learn. A foundation.

Over time more and more of our job functions were given away to our union brothers. In my tenure I've seen pushbacks, deicing, applying power and other functions shifted away from mechanics. The result, as you pointed out, was that NWA had 100 cities but at most, mechanics in 30. Plenty of stations were staffed with Fleet Service doing functions that used to be mechanics work, and who gave away those functions? Industrial Unions that didnt care a lick about the profession and were more concerned with doing whatever they could to maximize dues.

Your hands are bloody even though you profess your innocence.

 

[700UW]

The laws were different in 1983 than they are now. The fiasco at CO with Lorenzo was why Section 1113 and 1114 were passed by Congress.

Before that any employer could wipe out a CBA and union certification without any fight when they filed chapter 11.

 

[blue collar]

Numbers don't matter when they're all weak willed. Doesn't matter if your union has 100000 members if half will cross. Weren't some of te scabs at nw former IAM leaders/reps? That sure is some strength...