TA reached for TWU dispatchers and Ops specialists at AA

[Bob Owens]

 
This just shows the disdain for the mechanic.

Agreed. But its not because there are a lot of us. 

 

[OldGuy@AA]

A question, Math comes out to a 45% increase, earlier you said the top out was currently $42.
As for the Longevity, if the number is Delta plus 3 that would include the longevity correct? For AMTs MLS and Fleet better to have it in the base so it gets compounded with the raises. What happens with premiums is they are fixed, so when you think you are getting a 3% raise the fact is you are really getting less than that since the premiums are not adjusted by that 3%.  

I guess the truth hurts some.  You got some negative points for making a good point.  Premium pay is not included in % raises therefore you want lower premium pay and higher base pay.  Of course AA has about the highest premium pay around so they have figured this out but the TWU has not.  

 

[Bogey]

A question, Math comes out to a 45% increase, earlier you said the top out was currently $42.
As for the Longevity, if the number is Delta plus 3 that would include the longevity correct? For AMTs MLS and Fleet better to have it in the base so it gets compounded with the raises. What happens with premiums is they are fixed, so when you think you are getting a 3% raise the fact is you are really getting less than that since the premiums are not adjusted by that 3%.

Bob, don't have time to go back 19 pages, but I don't believe I said current top out was 42. Not sure if that question was ever asked of me. Possibly it was a question about the current starting rate.

I believe we got DL plus 3 in base, but exact longevity.

 

[lineguy43]

I disagree I totally am convinced they give the dispatchers a decent salary is exactly because they are a small group. Look how fast they can settle their contract compared to AMT's No offense to any dispatcher on here but 140k a yr salary for a certificate that takes 5 to 6 weeks to obtain is one hell of a return on investment. Now I understand you are not getting this salary right out of school but I know people who are working for the majors as dispatchers that are internal hires with no dispatch experience. So in 10 years time you can be making 70 bucks an hour. To Bob's point that they cannot be outsourced is also incorrect. There are companies that provide dispatch services Jeppesen being one of them. However, I doubt any major airline would want to outsource operational control so for now as long as the FAR's read the way they do dispatchers are in a pretty good place. Now we are screwed as AMT's for a number of reasons first the FAA allows unlicensed mechanics to work on airplanes you only need a license to sign for the work or in the case of a repair station the unlicensed sign under the repair station cert. Next is the RLA and the NMB and how we as A@P's are classified as mechanics "and related" related being parts cleaners, aircraft cleaners, work control clerks all of which require no license and industrial unions like the IAM and TWU have fought to keep it that way instead of licensed A@P's being a separate craft which it should be. Hell sim techs are their own craft and class and do not require a license. AMFA was at least my one hope for change when I was with NWA but too many people from other work groups as well as the industrial unions and the airline executives did not want to see that happen so they collaborated to see that it failed. One thing that did happen is AMT pay has gone up as a whole quite a bit from what it was so AMFA did raise the bar but it will be no where the numbers that dispatchers make. Wish I could go back 30+ years and change my career choice.

 

[700UW]

The IAM was in support, spent money and resources to owe HR 145, but of course the right voted it down.

 

[1AA]

The IAM was in support, spent money and resources to owe HR 145, but of course the right voted it down.

And they also crossed NWA picket line and scabbard work while the AMT'S were on strike. The IAM and TWU are both self serving scab industrial unions looking out to do what ever it can to preserve or increase dues. Please stop telling us how great the IAM is for the AMT'S. We all now and heard it over and over. TWU is no better if not worse.

 

[Vortilon]

The IAM was in support, spent money and resources to owe HR 145, but of course the right voted it down.

 
Please tell us how they have not colluded with the TWU and IBT at the NMB to ensure that AMTs cannot have their own class and craft.  Tell us how the IAM was on board with FAR part 66 - not. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Bogey this is something you may find interesting. Sad situation for these people.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13547024/1/american-airlines-partner-air-wisconsin-offers-dispatchers-raises-of-zero.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

[Bogey]

I read that. Really not a good deal in the regional industry.

While we did well in this agreement, most have traveled a long road to get there. Unfortunately, this type of place is a stop along the way.

 

[WeAAsles]

I read that. Really not a good deal in the regional industry.
While we did well in this agreement, most have traveled a long road to get there. Unfortunately, this type of place is a stop along the way.

It certainly should be but the union says they have guys who've been there over 10 years. When you're not willing to move or make moves in our industry you're in a way I guess going to get what you deserve?

 

[Kev3188]

Or look at it the other way; the vet that's invested over a decade building your company deserves to be compensated accordingly.

 

[WeAAsles]

Or look at it the other way; the vet that's invested over a decade building your company deserves to be compensated accordingly.

Wouldn't it be nice if life worked that way? But it doesn't and we are the ones who have to get that through our heads. And if we don't we just wind up spinning our wheels in anger and disappointment.

Never been a fan of the word deserve BTW. Who decides in life who deserves what? And deserve is a word that reminds me of a lottery ticket. Maybe you win but most of the time you don't.

Deserve can easily come across by the person saying it as self pity?

 

[Worldport]

Wouldn't it be nice if life worked that way? But it doesn't and we are the ones who have to get that through our heads. And if we don't we just wind up spinning our wheels in anger and disappointment.

Never been a fan of the word deserve BTW. Who decides in life who deserves what? And deserve is a word that reminds me of a lottery ticket. Maybe you win but most of the time you don't.

Deserve can easily come across by the person saying it as self pity?

Sounds like some people on a different thread doesn't it

 

[Kev3188]

Wouldn't it be nice if life worked that way? But it doesn't and we are the ones who have to get that through our heads. And if we don't we just wind up spinning our wheels in anger and disappointment.

Never been a fan of the word deserve BTW. Who decides in life who deserves what? And deserve is a word that reminds me of a lottery ticket. Maybe you win but most of the time you don't.

Deserve can easily come across by the person saying it as self pity?

The toss up between staying in ATW and knowing you'll top out at $20/hr. is separate from the value one has given the company for over a decade.

I don't think "deserve" begets pity at all; I think it ties in with confidence in what a person brings to the table. It only seems weird because we've been messaged the exact opposite for most of our lives.

Look at the revenue you and I generate for our carriers compared to what we earn in total compensation. AA & DL are both getting a helluva return on their investment.

 

[WeAAsles]

The toss up between staying in ATW and knowing you'll top out at $20/hr. is separate from the value one has given the company for over a decade.
I don't think "deserve" begets pity at all; I think it ties in with confidence in what a person brings to the table. It only seems weird because we've been messaged the exact opposite for most of our lives.
Look at the revenue you and I generate for our carriers compared to what we earn in total compensation. AA & DL are both getting a helluva return on their investment.

Kev in all honesty the only thing I feel I do not deserve but will demand is what's written in my contract that is negotiated by individuals who were voted into office by the majority of the members I work with in my union, and then contractually voted passage by a majority of the total membership for my group. When it comes to my job.

Deserve again to me comes across somewhat as begging. You can even say the same thing about the word "expect". Your expectations can easily fall far short if you don't have it in writing.

You can use the word "demand" but you better be prepared to back it up and except the ramifications of those actions if your demands are not met.

It's like what I've said in the past about the word "respect" No one should ever demand respect, respect should be something that's earned.