Transport Workers and Machinist Union to Jointly Represent Ground Workers at the "New" American Airl

[700UW]

How many were AMFA leaders and reps?

President of AMFA local 35 scabbed.

Names AMFA leaders that SCABBED- Ken Reed - AMFA lOCAL 35 (DULUTH) President Dennis Karinski - AMFA Officer Local 35 Mark Bauman - AMFA Safety & Standards Director Alan Arendsee - AMFA Line Maintenance Shop Committee Rep. Dan Yanity - AMFA Chairman Human Rights Committee Lenny Alves - AMFA Shop Committee Rep Local 33 Andrew Tholke - AMFA Shop Committee Rep, Local 35 Dave Buchanan - AMFA Safety and Standards Rep. Keith Lacher - AMFA Safety and Standards Rep. David Laatsch - AMFA Area Rep Bldg B Robert Siebert - AMFA Shop Rep, Fuel Meetering John Pugh - AMFA Shop Rep, engine shop Tom Crowford - AMFA Shop Committee Rep DTW Rick Moody - AMFA DTW Strike Captain Jim Zack - AMFA Member Services Committee Former IAM Mechanic Representatives that SCABBED Mike Hurley - Former IAM Local 33 President Don Golofski - Former IAM General Chair Roy Wilson - Former IAM Local 33 Vice President Lew Walker - Former IAM Rep. Brian Nelson - Former IAM Shop Committee Rep Mike Cole - Former IAM Cheif Steward Carl Frazier - Former IAM Rep (Nov 30, 2009 |

 

[xUT]

Numbers don't matter when they're all weak willed. Doesn't matter if your union has 100000 members if half will cross. Weren't some of te scabs at nw former IAM leaders/reps? That sure is some strength...

GOLOFSKI, DONALD
Ex IAM Chairperson

HURLEY, MICHAEL
Ex IAM Local President

I believe that is correct.

 

[comatose]

Absolutely your choice to vote whomever you like. We all know the majority dont vote(when it comes to voting for a union). I wish that was reversed but its a fact. Wish you luck but i still believe the Association is the way to go. Stength in numbers

When was the last time we had a vote on a choice of unions?
Maybe I'm still a rookie, but it hasn't been in the last 30 years.
So to tell me the majority won't vote is purely your opinion and
a very short sighted one at that.

 

[1AA]

How did that work out for AMFA at NW?

No numbers, no strength.

Here you go again. The IAM, IBT and TWU crossed NWA's AMFA picket lines.
Your beloved IAM CROSSED AND SCABBED. My TWU did the same and I am not proud of it. Strength in numbers? Oh please give it a break. Here at AA our Pilots union is an independent class and craft union. They stood up to the BK demands at AA. They actually improved the draconian demands management wanted. They did better but still got beaten down. TWU has more numbers and screwed us over big time. The TWU mantra was Fight Like Hell. The only fight like hell was to save the International s pensions from going to the PBGC. Everything thing else to the TWU was insignificant. There goes your strength theory. Our flight attendants have a Independent class and craft union. They went on strike in 1993 for a week during Thanksgiving week. They stuck together. Several TWU International officers flew on AA while the Flight Attendants were on strike but yet the TWU allowed the Flight Attendants to use the TWU's facilities for staging areas during the strike. AA never thought they would have pulled it off. The Prez had to step in and get the two sides at the table again. Strength in numbers? No, STRENGTH IN ACTION!

Industrial Unionism in the Airline industry is only good for sucking up members dues.
Just like Bally's fitness centers across the country. They keep adding members without any regard to overcrowding at the facility.

 

[700UW]

You cant replace pilots like NW did with mechanics.

 

[1AA]

You cant replace pilots like NW did with mechanics.

Spoken like a True Industrial Unionists.

 

[700UW]

Too bad reality doesnt suit you well.

 

[Kev3188]

Well at one time mechanics even used to load the bags. Pilots flew, Stewardesses served, and mechanics did pretty much everything out on the Ramp from servicing, fueling, weight and balance and loading, but that was before even my time.

Just talking out loud here, but I wonder how many AMT's would be in to a return to that era? Seems like the collision of reclaiming work but that work being loading bags might make some heads explode.

While I'm at it, I wonder what percentage of aviation employees can still do weight & balance by hand?

GOLOFSKI, DONALD
Ex IAM Chairperson

HURLEY, MICHAEL
Ex IAM Local President

I believe that is correct.

Whoa, whoa... We've been over this before. Golofski *had* to scab. Otherwise, he would've no longer been able to afford having his groceries delivered.

Hurley? Father of the year.

(sarcasm, of course)

The TWU mantra was Fight Like Hell. The only fight like hell was to save the International s pensions from going to the PBGC. Everything thing else to the TWU was insignificant. There goes your strength theory.

Actually, that's more of an indictment of the pathetic "leadership" you guys have -and the structure that allows them to remain- than anything else.

Frankly, the fact that they're still there speaks volumes about the complacency of your coworkers as well.

 

[Vortilon]

You cant replace pilots like NW did with mechanics.

I wouldn't exactly say that NWA was able to replace their aircraft mechanics. In fact, the scabs that they were forced to hire at the time, wouldn't have made it past NWA's first phone interview under normal circumstances. All that went down at a time when finding experienced AMTs would have been much easier. If an airline were to try something like that now, good luck attempting to entice experienced AMTs to relocate, and work as scabs for $25.00ph.

 

[xUT]

How many were AMFA leaders and reps?

President of AMFA local 35 scabbed.

Here's your list posted on TOPIX
Yep, some AMFA leadership are scabs.
I like the one who was a strike captain...

Just talking out loud here, but I wonder how many AMT's would be in to a return to that era? Seems like the collision of reclaiming work but that work being loading bags might make some heads explode.

While I'm at it, I wonder what percentage of aviation employees can still do weight & balance by hand?

I doubt few would be willing to revert back to the good ole days. Also, with the contracts in place, it would be impossible.
Best to stop the chip...chipp...chipp now though.

Whoa, whoa... We've been over this before. Golofski *had* to scab. Otherwise, he would've no longer been able to afford having his groceries delivered.

Hurley? Father of the year.

(sarcasm, of course)

Wish I cloud find that video of his kid turning the hose on picketers. That was priceless!

Actually, that's more of an indictment of the pathetic "leadership" you guys have -and the structure that allows them to remain- than anything else.

Frankly, the fact that they're still there speaks volumes about the complacency of your coworkers as well.

IMHO, the detachment of the international leadership (IAM/TWU/IBT/...) controlling contracts and making LOA's without membership permission/vote is a huge problem.
If they can't fix that, they are doomed!

Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[blownkneesbob]

It is not a representational election, it is a straight yea or nay for the association.

700
DL141 AGC's are telling folks that its yes or NO representation. I don't think it's right either but have to go with what those clowns are saying. Did you get a clarification yet and what was your source. Not trying to bust stones just trying to get facts

http://www.iamdl142.org/

 

[700UW]

Dont put words into my posts, learn how to post properly.

How many times do I have to tell you, the association wont have any members?

You will either be a member of the TWU or IAM.

You really need to learn what this is all about.

 

[1AA]

Dont put words into my posts, learn how to post properly.

How many times do I have to tell you, the association wont have any members?

You will either be a member of the TWU or IAM.

You really need to learn what this is all about.

Nobody knows what this is all about. Another first for the TWU.
All I see is a dues increase. Now we have to financially support the Association.
My dues will go to the TWU or IAM respectively, the Association and the AFL-CIO.

AMFA can not come fast enough. 700 you can keep your Industrial union foolishness.

Pilots have their union, flight Attendants have theirs and AMT's will have our own soon. You have a hard time letting go because you have been with the catch all industrial unions so long. They are all losers. This is why they want to merge together to keep the dues flowing for their fat cat salaries.

 

[700UW]

Guess you cant read either, the association wont be collecting dues and it wont have any members.

Q: Will I still be a member of my Union, or will I become a member of the Association?
A: The Association will have no members, but it will hold certification for the combined
work group. Union membership will be based on a person’s location, as outlined in
Appendix B to each Association agreement.

Q: Would my dues remain the same even if responsibility for my location shifts to a
different Alliance member?
A: No. Dues will be determined under the Constitution and bylaws of the Union with
representation responsibility for the location.

2. Q: Will our dues structure be different at each station depending on which Union is
servicing the members there?
A: Yes. The TWU and IAM have different dues structures. The TWU has a 2x the hourly
rate dues structure. IAM dues vary and are set by the membership of each Local Lodge.

Pilots and FAs have their own union for the most part, as they are in their own class and craft, guess you dont realize the ibt represents pilots, and the AFA is part of the CWA and the IAM still represents FAs also.

 

[blue collar]

I don't think that they can't read, I think that they dont give a #### about the 'association'.