So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[Justme]

Question: is there a limit to the number of nrsa flights you can make on aa?

I would also appreciate hearing about your online chec-in experiences. I'm specifically wondering about those times when there might be 15 to 20 d2s (or whatever the normal priority for employees is..I think that it is d2) listed. It seems like there would be at least 10-17 peopleall logged 24 hours prior hitting refresh at the same time.does it really boil down to whoever happens to hit refresh and che CKD in closest to the system clock hitting the exact time of 24 hours prior to departure?

That seems really random to me. Do you ever see any rhyme or reason why you might wind up number one on one occasion and number twelve on another occasion when you did the same thing on both check ins.

Thanks.

 

[Boomer]

This reads very official, where did you find it? I've been looking for this everywhere, with no luck. I did hear one of Parkers peeps say that they were hoping to have something already roled out with the announcement, but was unable to have it ready in time for IT reasons. She did brief us on basicly everything mentioned above.

On the AA side, it is posted through jetnet.

 

[john john]

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[john john]

Question: is there a limit to the number of nrsa flights you can make on aa?

I would also appreciate hearing about your online chec-in experiences. I'm specifically wondering about those times when there might be 15 to 20 d2s (or whatever the normal priority for employees is..I think that it is d2) listed. It seems like there would be at least 10-17 peopleall logged 24 hours prior hitting refresh at the same time.does it really boil down to whoever happens to hit refresh and che CKD in closest to the system clock hitting the exact time of 24 hours prior to departure?

That seems really random to me. Do you ever see any rhyme or reason why you might wind up number one on one occasion and number twelve on another occasion when you did the same thing on both check ins.

Thanks.

Gaming

 

[Jager]

Yes it does come down to hitting the enter button first... And no, there's not usually 12-15 people waiting for the 24 hour threshold . Most I've seen is 4... Flight loads are super tight and unless it's the first or last flight of the day, or mid week, You'll probably get bumped..

 

[john john]

Yes it does come down to hitting the enter button first...

Gaming

 

[jimntx]

Question: is there a limit to the number of nrsa flights you can make on aa?

I would also appreciate hearing about your online chec-in experiences. I'm specifically wondering about those times when there might be 15 to 20 d2s (or whatever the normal priority for employees is..I think that it is d2) listed. It seems like there would be at least 10-17 peopleall logged 24 hours prior hitting refresh at the same time.does it really boil down to whoever happens to hit refresh and che CKD in closest to the system clock hitting the exact time of 24 hours prior to departure?

That seems really random to me. Do you ever see any rhyme or reason why you might wind up number one on one occasion and number twelve on another occasion when you did the same thing on both check ins.

Thanks.

The randomness is what makes it fair. I realize that a lot of airline employees believe that because they didn't quit and they didn't die, that should give them special privileges. I don't happen to agree with that philosophy. I don't happen to believe that just because you started with the company the day before I did that it is fair for you to decide at the last minute to go to the same destination and take my boarding pass away from me. (And, yes I am a union member.)

As to your first question, no there are no limits to the number of non-rev listings per employee per year or to his/her immediate family that also travel D2. You get 4 D1 passes for yourself and spouse/registered companion per year. A D1 is a one-way pass; so, if the loads are tight for the day you need to go (or come back), but not for the other direction of travel, then you can list a D1 in one direction, and normal D2 in the other. I usually don't even use my D1 passes. I've just not had that much problem getting on flights to where I want to go--but then, I've never tried non-revving to Hawaii. If your passion is to go to places that have one flight a day which is always full, well, good luck. Hope you find a comfortable seat in the terminal for your overnight stay.

The no-limit listing does NOT mean that you can list for every flight between city pairs on the same day. First off, of what possible advantage would that be? I mean, other than to screw up load planning, etc. It's already been said that if you don't get on the flight you are listed for, you automatically roll over to the next flight. And, if you think you will get away with it, you would be wrong. If you list (and do the online checkin) for the 0700 flight and the 0800 flight, you had better hope that you get on the 0700 flight because if you roll over to the 0800 flight there will be two listings in your name for the same flight, and they will know that the first one is a rollover. It is not the employee name that gets you on the standby list. It is the PNR number. Each of those listings has a separate PNR. The computer has no way to know that the two John Jones are the same John Jones; so, it lists both of them.

 

[eolesen]

Actually, the computer does know -- the employee number has to be present in the PNR for ticketless (I wrote the specs for the EMPL).

Behind the scenes, AA uses the Amadeus dupe booking process to detect and cancel bookings made by the same person on the same routing. The EMPL in conjunction with the date of birth info required by TSA makes it dirt easy to detect the dupes. I don't remember if AA cancels those out or not. They used to do it with E bookings, but not sure about space available.

As a side note, DL, AS and about 50 other airlines also use Amadeus for dupe detection. HP was also a customer up until the merger.

 

[jimntx]

Evidently, they do not cancel out the dupes on non-rev because I have seen more than one standby list that had the same name on two different listings where one was a rollover. However, I think there are consequences--such as, your rollover listing doesn't count and your standby position is the "original" listing for the flight--but, I don't know that for sure. I have witnessed non-revs arguing with the gate agent about the practice--which seems to me not quite smart. It's like arguing with TSA. You just increase your chances of not making it through security or onto the airplane.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I have witnessed non-revs arguing with the gate agent about the practice--which seems to me not quite smart. It's like arguing with TSA. You just increase your chances of not making it through security or onto the airplane.

Ultimately, the gate agent has a lot of say on boarding, and can help or hurt you.

 

[Just Another BK]

I'm sorry but a first year employee doesn't get on ahead of a 35 year employee. Retirees either for that matter. USAirways plan is fair.

 

[Just Another BK]

USAirways has several tiers of NRSA starting with SA1 which employees recieve a small quantity of every year for vacations etc. Unlimited SA3's at no cost to the employees includes escorted Family Members and Guest Pass Riders. Unescorted Family Member's and Retiree's SA4. Unescorted Guest Pass Riders SA7 at the bottom. All by DOH. Makes sense to a lot of us.

 

[AirbusA310]

Why should a brand new hire get on a plane first just because they checked in 1 minute before someone with 30 years.....
If I'm the gate agent the non rev that was less annoying and bothered me the least gets on first...don't be on the gate agents face, if there are seats you will get one, don't be in my face every minute.. :blush:

 

[AirwAr]

Ultimately, the gate agent has a lot of say on boarding, and can help or hurt you.

That may be somewhat true...but since the transition years ago from non-rev ticket stock where the gate agents would keep stacks of them for the people trying to get on the flight, to today's electronic list, I think there's a lot less abuse of the gate agent putting their friend on first. Especially since employees now have an app on their smart phone that let's them watch the list as seats are being issued.

 

[AirwAr]

I'm sorry but a first year employee doesn't get on ahead of a 35 year employee. Retirees either for that matter. USAirways plan is fair.

Kind of seems that AA & US employees are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

The only thing I would add is that employees have to get over the thinking..."Hey, I was #### on when I was junior...so it only fair that it's now my turn to #### on them".