So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[eolesen]

Buried somewhere in the fine print, the only place you lose the thru status is if you pass thru your home or base city. That's to avoid further gaming e.g. DFW based employees would fly a short-hop to TYR or GRK, and return on the very next flight just to get higher priority to places like HNL, LON, etc.

 

[AANOTOK]

How about this. At AA, if I'm listed on a flt that departs at 14:00 and don't make it because it is full, I am automatically rolled over to the next flight which departs at 15:30 ahead of anyone that is listed on that flt flying the same classification. Do those folks who think it should be seniority also think it is right for you to be able to walk up and bump me at the last minute when I have missed the earlier flight through no fault of my own?

 

[1AA]

How about this. At AA, if I'm listed on a flt that departs at 14:00 and don't make it because it is full, I am automatically rolled over to the next flight which departs at 15:30 ahead of anyone that is listed on that flt flying the same classification. Do those folks who think it should be seniority also think it is right for you to be able to walk up and bump me at the last minute when I have missed the earlier flight through no fault of my own?

Yes because you were listed on a earlier flight that crapped out no fault of yours. The ones you are bumping the list on had the same opportunity to get on the same flight that crapped out. So basically it is another form of FCFS. Kind of sucks.

 

[desertgal]

I realize I'm late to the topic, and the horse is almost dead but....
As former HP, I grew up with FCFS, and had to adjust to seniority. I prefer seniority.
Would like to comment to the poster who suggested a vote- I believe we actually did that during our HP/US merger. Can't remember for sure. However, before it was finalized, we used two seperate boarding systems, depending on which "metal" you were flying on.
(And, in fact, for cabin/FD jumpseat, we still give preference to the crew from the original airline. East rides first on East metal, West first on West.)
So, everyone had a chance to 'try' each system.
Of course, with a "vote", the larger company will win.
There are equal pros and cons to each system,and in the end the difference to the actual non-rev experience is negligble.

There are bigger non-rev issues, like cost.

For sure I agree with those who want to stick with no fee travel, except for international taxes.
US employees also currently receive a number of upgraded SA1P priority 'vacation' passes that you can use to 'jump' over someone senior (unless of course they use theirs, too!)
Thats a benefit that came from former HP policy.

There is also the issue of retired employees traveling ahead of active, as is the case for retired East FAs. Yes, this is in their contract. It is also in the TA East&West FAs are currently voting on.
I think most other employee groups are not even aware that at times they are being bumped by a retired person.
When we check loads, its so nice to see all the other nonrevs listed, and their priorities, but no way to tell if that SA3P is an active employee or retired East FA.

 

[ChrisUS]

Unitedintel is seniority with 'active employees' first and retirees last.

United's policy used to be retirees first then active. I think that is just as wrong as active first and retirees next.

 

[ChrisUS]

How about this. At AA, if I'm listed on a flt that departs at 14:00 and don't make it because it is full, I am automatically rolled over to the next flight which departs at 15:30 ahead of anyone that is listed on that flt flying the same classification. Do those folks who think it should be seniority also think it is right for you to be able to walk up and bump me at the last minute when I have missed the earlier flight through no fault of my own?

I am pretty sure there is a one hour cutoff time to "walk up" and I have yet to see anyone do that who is senior. They plan and list in advance like everyone else.

 

[john john]

Yes because you were listed on a earlier flight that crapped out no fault of yours. The ones you are bumping the list on had the same opportunity to get on the same flight that crapped out. So basically it is another form of FCFS. Kind of sucks.

Just list and check-in on both flights and plan on taking the 2[sup]nd[/sup] one

 

[ilmbeaches]

I'm happy with first come first serve (I have 31 years) what I don't like are retirees boarded after actives. Hope AA's policy remains.

 

[mike757]

This comes from a reliable source... I think!

INTERIM TRAVEL FOR AA/US AIRWAYS EMPLOYEES: We know travel is an important part of employment at American and is a privilege you value. Like much of the integration process, developing the employee travel program for the new American will take time and effort. We have two goals in mind: first, to quickly allow employees to take advantage of a broader network while not creating complicated processes for our airport colleagues; and second, to carefully and thoughtfully build an industry-leading travel program for the future as a combined company. In the interim, we are taking a three-step approach to travel for our people:


Interim Reciprocal Travel Program - We will quickly implement an Interim Reciprocal Travel Program that covers American's people and its wholly-owned affiliates' people when traveling on US Airways.
After-Close - We plan to thoroughly evaluate both travel programs and seek feedback from our people as we develop a new program. We will also consider opportunities to enhance the interim program after the transaction closes while we work on the long-term program.
Long-Term Travel Program - We plan to develop and implement a new travel program based on the feedback from our people that will be a model for the industry.


It's important to note that the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program covers travel between American and its wholly-owned affiliates and US Airways and its wholly-owned affiliates. American's current travel program continues unchanged, as well as all interline agreements except US Airways. Information for traveling on US Airways for personal and business use may be found below.


Interim Reciprocal Travel Program

On March 1, 2013, American, US Airways and their wholly-owned affiliates, including American Eagle and Executive Airlines, will have access to an Interim Reciprocal Travel Program that uses existing systems and processes as much as possible. Current American or US Airways travel programs for their respective employees and wholly-owned affiliates will not change. However, in addition to travel on their respective carriers, employees of the new American will have access to an Interim Reciprocal Travel Program.


Travel prior to March 1, 2013, is not included as part of this Interim Reciprocal Travel Program.


What to Expect When Flying US Airways for Personal Use

The details of this program are a work in-progress, but for now here is what you can expect:


American's people, including active employees and retirees, will have unlimited space available travel for themselves, their spouse/company recognized domestic partner and their dependent children when flying Coach (Y). This also includes American's wholly-owned regional affiliates, American Eagle and Executive Airlines


First (F) and Business (J) class travel are not included in the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program, as including them would create complexity at airports and in back-office processes that would leave us unable to implement the program quickly
Modified Zonal fares will be implemented for both American's and US Airways' people when flying on each other's aircraft.


Zone
Service Charge Range
1 $5.00
2 $5.00
3 $8.00
4 $15.00
5 $35.00
6 $35.00
7 $35.00
8 $50.00


When flying US Airways and US Airways Express flights, your boarding priority will be after US Airways employees, retirees and dependents, but ahead of other companies/airlines. This boarding order will also apply to US Airways employees traveling on American, American Eagle and Executive. During the interim agreement, US Airways employees traveling on American will board after American's, American Eagle's and Executive Airlines' people.


Your parents will continue to have access to one ticket per year for travel on US Airways. As an added benefit, the lower modified fares will apply.
Unlike traditional interline agreements, registered companions of American's people will have access to four tickets per year to fly on US Airways and its wholly-owned regional affiliates. Extended family and friends (D3) are not eligible for the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program.
Ticketing and flight listing procedures will be as they exist today.


What to Expect When Flying US Airways for Business Use

As part of the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program, people at American, American Eagle and Executive Airlines will have access to US Airways and US Airways Express flights for business travel.
Travel requests must be submitted using the OAL Company Business Travel form available on Jetnet. As for travel on American Airlines, booking may be made no earlier than 20 days prior to departure and should be made no later than 24 hours prior to a flight.
As part of the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program, business travelers may be upgraded to a premium cabin on a space-available basis. Travel will be non-removable, positive space.


We are pleased to be able offer our people almost immediate reciprocal travel privileges, and will share details about the after-close travel policies and long-term travel program as they are available.

 

[Veritas]

jimntx says that is a termination offense.

Go tell that to every flight attendant whose trader has their Jetnet and DECS passwords.

Just list and check-in on both flights and plan on taking the 2[sup]nd[/sup] one

It's against the rules to list and check in for more than one flight. It's the fastest way to have one's pass privileges suspended.

I suggest taking a look at the American Airlines Trip Book.

 

[hula-flyguy]

Does AA have a registered guest program? As far as sen vs fcfs, I don't care one way or another where it goes. I do believe that Doug will make it fcfs. When we merged with HP that is what was put in place until the infighting moved management to change to year of hire...not date of hire. (not including f/a's both retired and active remained doh) I would like to see retirees have an equal chance of getting on a flight. I thought putting them at the bottom was a disgrace. I would like to keep the sa1p, free travel, and registered guest. buddy passes suck, get rid of them!

 

[ilmbeaches]

Yes, AA does have a registered guest program.

 

[ilmbeaches]

That AA Trip book that is here is outdated, its from 2009.

 

[hula-flyguy]

Thanks, I didn't see that addressed in the article about flying on US, so assumed there was none

 

[Veritas]

That AA Trip book that is here is outdated, its from 2009.

None of the pass policies have changes since then, so it is still current information.