So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[WNMECH]

How does Southwest do there travel?

First come first served.
It doesn't matter when you list.
You are time stamped when you check in for your flight at a kiosk or ticket counter at the airport.
You are then placed on the standby list according to that time and your boarding priority.
A. Emergency travel
B. Employees and accompanying travelers
C. Eligible travelers not flying with an employee (dependants, retirees, companions and interns).
D. People on buddy passes
E. Other airline employees
Ect.

It is simple and seems fair to me.
It is also free.

 

[jimntx]

Why should a brand new hire get on a plane first just because they checked in 1 minute before someone with 30 years.....
If I'm the gate agent the non rev that was less annoying and bothered me the least gets on first...don't be on the gate agents face, if there are seats you will get one, don't be in my face every minute.. :blush:

Why should seniority matter at all on granted company benefits? You do not earn travel privileges. They are granted by the company. And, could be taken away without notice. Might want to talk to some of the senior PIT f/as who almost caused the reciprocal travel agreement with WN to be cancelled because they were demanding that WN agents take the boarding passes away from more junior commuters.

Seniority counts on base assignments and the work schedule you hold. Giving priority on travel benefits by seniority is like saying after an accident, "I'm senior to that person. I get in the ambulance ahead of them. It doesn't matter that they are more seriously injured."

And, we are all going to have to wait and see which system (if either one) survives the merger. For all we know, in the "new" AA we will be told that to pay for all the promises made to the AA pilots and flight attendants, there will be NO non-rev travel period.

 

[snapthis]

Why should seniority matter at all on granted company benefits? You do not earn travel privileges. They are granted by the company. And, could be taken away without notice. Might want to talk to some of the senior PIT f/as who almost caused the reciprocal travel agreement with WN to be cancelled because they were demanding that WN agents take the boarding passes away from more junior commuters.

Seniority counts on base assignments and the work schedule you hold. Giving priority on travel benefits by seniority is like saying after an accident, "I'm senior to that person. I get in the ambulance ahead of them. It doesn't matter that they are more seriously injured."

And, we are all going to have to wait and see which system (if either one) survives the merger. For all we know, in the "new" AA we will be told that to pay for all the promises made to the AA pilots and flight attendants, there will be NO non-rev travel period.

Your post is right on target. The pilot seniority at US Airways is not DOH, so why should boarding an aircraft be DOH? There should be a vote like there was when HP and Airways came together. You'll have enough of us from HP who will vote in favor of returning to FCFS.

Seniority based boarding equates to an entitlement mentality. This type of thinking has caused problems which keeps Parker from completing a prior merger. I've never been bumped boarding by DOH but I also understand the importance of making new employees feel rewarded for their contribution to the company.

 

[snapthis]

Ultimately, the gate agent has a lot of say on boarding, and can help or hurt you.

That's the reason I log onto Wings ETC at boarding time or have a printed standby list. I've seen that you are right about an agent's influence on the order standby passengers are called.

 

[amt66]

That's the reason I log onto Wings ETC at boarding time or have a printed standby list. I've seen that you are right about an agent's influence on the order standby passengers are called.

At AA they go right down the list and since you can just 24 hrs in advance you have a pretty good idea if your getting on. The system works very good and it's fair for everyone

 

[Justme]

thanks Jim I appreciate your responsesand I can understand a lot of what you're saying. I would vote for date of hire only because it's what I've been used to for I guess what would be a fairly short 14 years.I've never been bumped at the last minute bye a senior person nor have I seen it happen to others although that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.



ideep down there's just something in me that wants to keep the date of hire as the system. But I'll survive either way.

the only thing that really bothers me is just the sheer number of employees. Right now even with a load factors that we are experiencing on US Airways I can still get pretty much anywhere I want to go as long as I travel on a Tuesday Wednesday or Saturday and sometimes even a Thursday I rarely travel on Sunday or Monday or Friday off and I would have to be a very rare exception for me to a to do that.

so I guess I'll just have to wait and see what will happen when I want to travel from Orlando to Kansas City or from West Palm Beach to Phoenix or maybe from uh either Charlotte or Dallas to our Knoxville Tennessee I guess Knoxville might be Chicago.

so thanks again I guess we'll all watch this unfold, no doubt it will be interesting thanks again for your responses

 

[Show me the money]

I'm sorry but a first year employee doesn't get on ahead of a 35 year employee. Retirees either for that matter. USAirways plan is fair.

Give it a break. everyone has the same chance to get on the list. you can see where you stand on the screen at the gate. agents go by the list. If you are one of these who like to show up 10 minutes before a flight just to show you have been with the company longer here is a tip STAY HOME no one needs that type of stuff.

 

[snapthis]

At AA they go right down the list and since you can just 24 hrs in advance you have a pretty good idea if your getting on. The system works very good and it's fair for everyone

Sounds good to me. Thumbs up.

 

[jason77]

I'm sorry but a first year employee doesn't get on ahead of a 35 year employee. Retirees either for that matter. USAirways plan is fair.

Why stop there how about we base medical costs on senority.Why should a new hire pay the same as a 30 year employee.

 

[Crazy Daytripper]

I'm sorry but a first year employee doesn't get on ahead of a 35 year employee. Retirees either for that matter. USAirways plan is fair.

i see ur point but its not fair to EVERYONE just for u or people that have 35+ i am only 25 years old its not fair that u started 10years b4 i was born i had no chance.i am a 4year employee FCFS is fair for EVERYONE bc EVERYONE has a channce to check in 24hr b4 the flight and not just for the peopel that been here 10+ years longer than i been on this earth. I DO on the onther hand think its fair that you get the bid that you want and the vacation dates that you want bc it is wrong to have someone that been here for 4 years to have weekends off and xmass off and have day line ( i rather have tue wes work the xmass and work nights). if you look that they whole pic that fair to everoyone. I have been flying on AA a lot to go to COS and i talked to so many people AA and US and everyone on AA says it fair and they have 30+ years and most of the (WEST) and some of the east say the same. Plus unles you comute do u really flight that much? (i am asking everone not just BK) i fly every week and 35+ years people dont bc of outsid life. and I challange you (anyone) that i can get to PHX quicker form CLT than you can you might wait a day or 2 to get on the none stop i fly threw DFW, DSM, LAX, LAS, or others to get there. and with AA in this you can fly threw any citiy. i got off topic sorry but its FAIR for everony for FCFS

 

[eolesen]

Sheesh... If FCFS is fair enough for the most unionized and employee friendly airline in the US (Southwest) then why isn't it good enough for y'all?

I've lost time how many times people here have demanded parity with Southwest.

Here's your chance.

 

[jimntx]

Why stop there how about we base medical costs on senority.Why should a new hire pay the same as a 30 year employee.

Absolutely. For the most part, it's us old coots past 60 who are creating the most medical costs and rises in premiums. Why shouldn't we pay a bigger portion of the insurance premium? Why should some young person who is never sick have to pay the same employee only premium as I? (Not that I'm sick all that much; but statistically speaking, I (and others like me) create most of the medical costs in this country.)

 

[gaucho99]

The fcfs way of handling boarding in my opinion is outdated. When most airlines instituted this rule, the intent was to let whoever had been waiting the longest at the airport for the flight to be the first on....It was like standing in line for a movie, or concert or anything else. And it made sense...With today's technology, we do not go down at stand in line at the airport anymore....we check in at a computer terminal and anybody can check in 24 hrs in advance and then go about their other duties for the day. It's not like you sacrificed for that advantage by hanging out at the airport all day like in the old days.

Boarding by seniority makes more sense and provides a well deserved advantage if you have sacrificed 30 years of your life for the airline as opposed to 1 or 2. The airline can provide each employee a few higher status boardings each year for your vacations. US uses the SA1P. That way, a new employee can select when it is important to have an advantage for vacations or when he has more important travel.

I would not be opposed to a fcfs policy if we require you to check in at the airport. That way, only those who really need or want to travel will be motivated to make the sacrifice to go early.

 

[tadjr]

i see ur point but its not fair to EVERYONE just for u or people that have 35+ i am only 25 years old its not fair that u started 10years b4 i was born i had no chance.

What you fail to realize is that those of us with X amount of years were once in your position with 4 years and a lot of senior people to us traveling. We managed to survive and see the world somehow. Either way, we'll all adjust to it and the world will continue to spin.

 

[snapthis]

What you fail to realize is that those of us with X amount of years were once in your position with 4 years and a lot of senior people to us traveling. We managed to survive and see the world somehow. Either way, we'll all adjust to it and the world will continue to spin.

That's pretty much the way I see it. I prefer FCFS which was replaced by DOH. It will most likely come to a vote.You are correct, the sun will rise and we will be sitting there waiting for our names to be called.

I'm more concerned with my retirement which I have a little over a decade to fatten up the 401K.