So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[ilmbeaches]

Check in time online changed in Dec 2010 from 4 hours prior to 24 hours prior for one.

 

[PHX-F/A]

I dont think there is any doubt it will be FCFS. US-EAST crews have seniority boarding in their contracts, but we will be working for single contracts, and I just dont see it staying with seniority. AA+AW have the numbers to keep FCFS

 

[snapthis]

I dont think there is any doubt it will be FCFS. US-EAST crews have seniority boarding in their contracts, but we will be working for single contracts, and I just dont see it staying with seniority. AA+AW have the numbers to keep FCFS

I think you are correct, we will have the numbers to keep the American FCFS system in place.
It's a much fairer methodology.

 

[eolesen]

None of the pass policies have changes since then, so it is still current information.

I do see that the restriction on gaming thru status in your base city has been dropped... but it's still not allowed if you're coming off a trip as a crew member, and can't be combined if you're coming in as an A10/A11 and continuing as a D2...

 

[Wretched Wrench]

The only way they get on ahead if you if there are no seats avail and take a jump seat. So stop spreading lies and misinformation.

Timezones wouldn't matter in your example under AA's policy --- thru pax have a higher priority within their classification than local pax. The JFK-MIA nonrev could have listed days before the LAX-JFK-MIA nonrev, but the one making the LAX-JFK-MIA connection will still be boarded first at JFK.




Most of the "my friend checked me in" gaming went away when online check-in became available. That was 10 years ago, if not longer. That leveled the playing field entirely, as anyone with your Jetnet login can list you.

That means a crew member's wife or boyfriend can do it while they're still flying a trip. Heck, even crew members flying domestic can do it while working a flight using GoGo and an iPad. And anyone on the ground can do it via a smartphone.

As for "fiddling with times"... You're flat out lying if you think anyone at AA can modify the time. It's a system generated timestamp.

The only ones who might be able to alter a time are a programmer who works for Sabre or HP (the technology company, since some people still might think the airline code matters...). Nobody at AA has access to do that. And I can tell you undeniably that the guys working for the vendor probably aren't going to risk getting fired for messing with a customer's production database.

I wish you had called me a liar when I still had those documents. When no action was taken, the docs lanquished for a time, then were discarded. However, I do not have the date or even the year, so it might have been before the system was upgraded to make it fiddle-proof.

 

[jimntx]

Go tell that to every flight attendant whose trader has their Jetnet and DECS passwords.

Totally different issue. The trip trader companies have a contract with the company that allows it, and the contract specifies what the trader can (trade trips for you) and can not (everything else) do.

If you are doing business with a flight attendant who is trading trips on the side, but has decided not to bother paying the trader fee to the company, you both run serious risks.

That being said, I spent over 20 years in the Information Technology field, and I have never seen such sloppy computer security as implemented at AMR corporation.

 

[Veritas]

Totally different issue. The trip trader companies have a contract with the company that allows it, and the contract specifies what the trader can (trade trips for you) and can not (everything else) do.

If you are doing business with a flight attendant who is trading trips on the side, but has decided not to bother paying the trader fee to the company, you both run serious risks.

Let me suggest that you haven't a clue about how the traders operate. The traders have separate access that does not require the individual flight attendant's passwords, so long as those flight attendants are listed as their clients with the company. That, however, gives them only limited access; traders can't access open time, can't drop or pick up trips, they can't even post on HIBOARD. In order to have full flexibility in handling their clients' needs, just about all traders require their clients to provide them with both their Jetnet and DECS passwords. Don't take my word for it, check with the few regulars here who are or used to be traders.

 

[Magneto]

At AA, do retirees get added to the end of the list like at US (post HP merger), or do they board FCFS at an equal status with current employees?

 

[eolesen]

I wish you had called me a liar when I still had those documents. When no action was taken, the docs lanquished for a time, then were discarded. However, I do not have the date or even the year, so it might have been before the system was upgraded to make it fiddle-proof.

The date or year is irrelevant. No action was taken because there was probably more to the story than you had access to.

It's an unshakeable fact that the timestamp for check-in has never been modifiable in either NCI (used up until the mid 90's) or in ACS (which has been in use since then).

I worked the help desk before I moved over to HDQ as an analyst, and if there was a way, I would have run into it at the help desk. Duty code ‡ gives you lots of access to raw transaction level information, but you can't modify it.

Perhaps there was some gaming going on (e.g. listing for an earlier flight and then transferring) but that's a huge difference from implying that someone has the ability to change times.

 

[john john]

The JFK-MIA nonrev could have listed days before the LAX-JFK-MIA nonrev, but the one making the LAX-JFK-MIA connection will still be boarded first at JFK.

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Timezones wouldn't matter in your example under AA's policy ---

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Can the agent in LAX check in the NRSA going JFK-LAX before a agent in JFK

 

[eolesen]

Ever hear of UTC? Zulu time? GMT?

I'm typing this at 9am NCE time. If you respond at 7am CLT time, your response isn't going to appear before mine.

The check-in system is the same.... it works with UTC. Everything displayed in a local time is being converted on the fly, be the offset where the end-user is located, or the offsets where the flight activity takes place.

Why this is such a hard concept for you is indeed frightening.

 

[snapthis]

Ever hear of UTC? Zulu time? GMT?

I'm typing this at 9am NCE time. If you respond at 7am CLT time, your response isn't going to appear before mine.

The check-in system is the same.... it works with UTC. Everything displayed in a local time is being converted on the fly, be the offset where the end-user is located, or the offsets where the flight activity takes place.

Why this is such a hard concept for you is indeed frightening.

I think it's a hard concept for (insert image) to grasp.

 

[jimntx]

Let me suggest that you haven't a clue about how the traders operate. The traders have separate access that does not require the individual flight attendant's passwords, so long as those flight attendants are listed as their clients with the company. That, however, gives them only limited access; traders can't access open time, can't drop or pick up trips, they can't even post on HIBOARD. In order to have full flexibility in handling their clients' needs, just about all traders require their clients to provide them with both their Jetnet and DECS passwords. Don't take my word for it, check with the few regulars here who are or used to be traders.

Let me suggest that you imagine that I give a crap what you think.


I used a trip trader for some time until I found out that trades, double trades or even triple trades are easy to do. Not one of the traders I used ever asked me for my password, but they did trades for me--even with open time.. But, then you are the expert on everything; so, since I don't happen to care about the issue, I'll let you be the font of all wisdom on the subject.

 

[john john]

Why this is such a hard concept for you is indeed frightening.

I get the concept and it works

 

[Kittyhawk]

This comes from a reliable source... I think!

INTERIM TRAVEL FOR AA/US AIRWAYS EMPLOYEES: We know travel is an important part of employment at American and is a privilege you value. Like much of the integration process, developing the employee travel program for the new American will take time and effort. We have two goals in mind: first, to quickly allow employees to take advantage of a broader network while not creating complicated processes for our airport colleagues; and second, to carefully and thoughtfully build an industry-leading travel program for the future as a combined company. In the interim, we are taking a three-step approach to travel for our people:


Interim Reciprocal Travel Program - We will quickly implement an Interim Reciprocal Travel Program that covers American's people and its wholly-owned affiliates' people when traveling on US Airways.
After-Close - We plan to thoroughly evaluate both travel programs and seek feedback from our people as we develop a new program. We will also consider opportunities to enhance the interim program after the transaction closes while we work on the long-term program.
Long-Term Travel Program - We plan to develop and implement a new travel program based on the feedback from our people that will be a model for the industry.


It's important to note that the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program covers travel between American and its wholly-owned affiliates and US Airways and its wholly-owned affiliates. American's current travel program continues unchanged, as well as all interline agreements except US Airways. Information for traveling on US Airways for personal and business use may be found below.


Interim Reciprocal Travel Program

On March 1, 2013, American, US Airways and their wholly-owned affiliates, including American Eagle and Executive Airlines, will have access to an Interim Reciprocal Travel Program that uses existing systems and processes as much as possible. Current American or US Airways travel programs for their respective employees and wholly-owned affiliates will not change. However, in addition to travel on their respective carriers, employees of the new American will have access to an Interim Reciprocal Travel Program.


Travel prior to March 1, 2013, is not included as part of this Interim Reciprocal Travel Program.


What to Expect When Flying US Airways for Personal Use

The details of this program are a work in-progress, but for now here is what you can expect:


American's people, including active employees and retirees, will have unlimited space available travel for themselves, their spouse/company recognized domestic partner and their dependent children when flying Coach (Y). This also includes American's wholly-owned regional affiliates, American Eagle and Executive Airlines


First (F) and Business (J) class travel are not included in the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program, as including them would create complexity at airports and in back-office processes that would leave us unable to implement the program quickly
Modified Zonal fares will be implemented for both American's and US Airways' people when flying on each other's aircraft.


Zone
Service Charge Range
1 $5.00
2 $5.00
3 $8.00
4 $15.00
5 $35.00
6 $35.00
7 $35.00
8 $50.00


When flying US Airways and US Airways Express flights, your boarding priority will be after US Airways employees, retirees and dependents, but ahead of other companies/airlines. This boarding order will also apply to US Airways employees traveling on American, American Eagle and Executive. During the interim agreement, US Airways employees traveling on American will board after American's, American Eagle's and Executive Airlines' people.


Your parents will continue to have access to one ticket per year for travel on US Airways. As an added benefit, the lower modified fares will apply.
Unlike traditional interline agreements, registered companions of American's people will have access to four tickets per year to fly on US Airways and its wholly-owned regional affiliates. Extended family and friends (D3) are not eligible for the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program.
Ticketing and flight listing procedures will be as they exist today.


What to Expect When Flying US Airways for Business Use

As part of the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program, people at American, American Eagle and Executive Airlines will have access to US Airways and US Airways Express flights for business travel.
Travel requests must be submitted using the OAL Company Business Travel form available on Jetnet. As for travel on American Airlines, booking may be made no earlier than 20 days prior to departure and should be made no later than 24 hours prior to a flight.
As part of the Interim Reciprocal Travel Program, business travelers may be upgraded to a premium cabin on a space-available basis. Travel will be non-removable, positive space.


We are pleased to be able offer our people almost immediate reciprocal travel privileges, and will share details about the after-close travel policies and long-term travel program as they are available.

This reads very official, where did you find it? I've been looking for this everywhere, with no luck. I did hear one of Parkers peeps say that they were hoping to have something already roled out with the announcement, but was unable to have it ready in time for IT reasons. She did brief us on basicly everything mentioned above.