So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[AANOTOK]

If you haven't noticed, there have been 28 pages of dialogue and not a damn thing has been accomplished. You're welcome!
Could be worse I guess, every other topic could be 591 or AMFA related!

 

[MCI transplant]

If you haven't noticed, there have been 28 pages of dialogue and not a damn thing has been accomplished. You're welcome!
Could be worse I guess, every other topic could be 591 or AMFA related!

Or Seniority!------- Or does that discusion come later?

 

[Just Another BK]

This line of argument again?... Move to a spoke, and let me know what you think about all the flight opportunities you have.

Regardless, if the "thru" priority is retained, even in a DOH system you'd still be penalized, since transiting nonrevs would still have a higher priority.

Personally, I see the opposition to FCFS as signs of an entitlement mentality gone bad.

Seniority should only be used within a workgroup, i.e determining who gets which days off, which shift, first shot at picking vacation, or bumping rights into another station during RIF/Transfer.

It shouldn't be used to decide who gets on a flight, the desk or locker closest to the door/window, the newer chair or PC, the larger slice of pizza in the cafeteria, the stall with more toilet paper, or a better parking space in the employee parking lot. Especially when it's something that transcends workgroups.

I'm the fourth or fifth most senior person in a group of about 20. I certainly don't expect to exercise my seniority when it comes to seating arrangements in a meeting, which office I'm assigned to, or where my parking space is, but that's the French mentality of liberté, égalité, & fraternité...

USAirways NRSA does NOT give priority to anyone connecting through station. It is strictly by Seniority ( unless your crew not dead heading and the gate agents take care of you !) of your listing. My point was a tight plane with some new hire from Philly traveling through DFW going to Mexico gets on ahead in your system over the 30YR DFW who originates. That's FUP !

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

If you haven't noticed, there have been 28 pages of dialogue and not a damn thing has been accomplished. You're welcome!
Could be worse I guess, every other topic could be 591 or AMFA related!

I disagree.

Those of US who were unfamiliar with AA's "non-revenue" policy have learned a lot about it...whether we like the AA policy or not. And we have learned that AA's policy has AArdent fans.

I would imagine that those of you at AA who were unfamiliar with US' non-revenue policies have learned a lot about US...again, like the US policy or not.

I think we have also learned (if commentary here reflects the opinion of the US and AA populace) that, if given the chance to vote on the US/AA policy, the vast majority of AA employess joined by the majority of former HP employees, will vote for FCFS and thus summarily shove DOH out the door of the Arriving AA.

We have also learned that D2T appears to be the most AAdvantageous way to play...

God Bless US AAll! And God Bless the US/AA!

 

[AANOTOK]

My point exactly Crash Pad...a ton of dialogue with both situations being explained. Guess what, regardless what has been taught and learned, not many if any minds have been changed. The DOH's folks still prefer DOH, and the FCFS folks still prefer FCFS. All you are really getting now is why one is better than the other, from both sides. And yes, there is a good possibility of getting the DOH shoved out the door with the arrival of AA and it's FCFS voters. That does pretty much sum it up.

 

[Jager]

I don't know if its' been mentioned, but you are allotted four D1 Passes annually to be used at AA.. This puts you at the top of the list.. If you fly out of FLL/DFW/LAX/HNL.. Then you are a D1 out FLL, a D1T out of DFW. a D1T out of LAX and the complete trip FLL/DFW/LAX/HNL accounts for one of the allotted D1 annual pass allocation..

 

[snapthis]

My point exactly Crash Pad...a ton of dialogue with both situations being explained. Guess what, regardless what has been taught and learned, not many if any minds have been changed. The DOH's folks still prefer DOH, and the FCFS folks still prefer FCFS. All you are really getting now is why one is better than the other, from both sides. And yes, there is a good possibility of getting the DOH shoved out the door with the arrival of AA and it's FCFS voters. That does pretty much sum it up.

I've been a FCFS folk and a DOH folk.

AA system works, if it ain't broke........

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

I don't know if its' been mentioned, but you are allotted four D1 Passes annually to be used at AA.. This puts you at the top of the list.. If you fly out of FLL/DFW/LAX/HNL.. Then you are a D1 out FLL, a D1T out of DFW. a D1T out of LAX and the complete trip FLL/DFW/LAX/HNL accounts for one of the allotted D1 annual pass allocation..

US issues...SIX (6) per year (SA1 passes in US parlance)

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

I've been a FCFS folk and a DOH folk.

AA system works, if it ain't broke........

FCFS/DOH Statistics from
American Airline drops below 60,000 employees for the first time since 1987:

AA 59,574 employees (FTE) FCFS
WN 45,861 employess (FTE) FCFS
UA 83,383 employees (FTE) DOH
DL 72,529 emplyeees (FTE) DOH
US 30,310 employees (FTE) DOH

If I have done the calculations correctly, among the major US arlines, 64% of FTE (full-time equivalent) employees (the majority) presently enjoy DOH boarding, while just 36% enjoy FCFS.

Hmm...if it aint broke...

Both systems appears to work - in union and non-union shops - and no one under DOH appears to be suffering under some alleged (not by you) unfairness due to US union loving entitlement embracing last minute listing commuting slugs making it impossible for junior ("not my fault you are as old as dirt") people to get a shot at getting on...just to make crazy day trips.

For US/AA it will be what it will eventually be, but the (present) data indicates the majority of the FTE employees of the majors fly daily (justly or unjustly) under DOH and do just fine.

...if it aint broke, DOHn't fix it....

 

[Show me the money]

US people keep saying DOH is the best and have no idea or have ever used FCFS. I've have had both and FCFS is far better. For people like john john who are experts on the AA way who have never worked at AA you pearls of wisdom leave us breathless. If you have never tried it don't comment on it. I have over 25 years with the company and I don't waste my time looking around the boarding area who is getting on with less seinority. Lose the I got mine attitude and quit trying to kick other employees. With FCFS if you have been trying to get home for three days you would be one of the first to get on instead of being pushed down by someone who walked up 20 minutes before the flight. FCFS is better for the people working the flights and those trying to get on the flights.

 

[snapthis]

US people keep saying DOH is the best and have no idea or have ever used FCFS. I've have had both and FCFS is far better. For people like john john who are experts on the AA way who have never worked at AA you pearls of wisdom leave us breathless. If you have never tried it don't comment on it. I have over 25 years with the company and I don't waste my time looking around the boarding area who is getting on with less seinority. Lose the I got mine attitude and quit trying to kick other employees. With FCFS if you have been trying to get home for three days you would be one of the first to get on instead of being pushed down by someone who walked up 20 minutes before the flight. FCFS is better for the people working the flights and those trying to get on the flights.

Amen.

DOH is in the DNA of East folk and there is an element of fear of change.

 

[ChrisUS]

US people keep saying DOH is the best and have no idea or have ever used FCFS. I've have had both and FCFS is far better. For people like john john who are experts on the AA way who have never worked at AA you pearls of wisdom leave us breathless. If you have never tried it don't comment on it. I have over 25 years with the company and I don't waste my time looking around the boarding area who is getting on with less seinority. Lose the I got mine attitude and quit trying to kick other employees. With FCFS if you have been trying to get home for three days you would be one of the first to get on instead of being pushed down by someone who walked up 20 minutes before the flight. FCFS is better for the people working the flights and those trying to get on the flights.

Ah, you are wrong there my friend. After the HP merger, it was FCFS for awhile. Can't recall how long, maybe a year or a bit longer. Parker gave into to pressure and it was put to a vote and it was decided to go back to DOH. If someone is stuck somewhere for three days without backup passes, they don't know much about non reving. It has also been stated that someone couldn't walk up 15 or 20 minutes before flight time since flights get restricted before that. Who does that anyway? I list weeks before I travel and watch the flights.

 

[cltrat]

I am US and with the time I have FCFS would probably benefit me, I can honestly it doesn't matter much to me which it turns out to be, I will adapt and make it work. I fly my kids back and forth between a very senior station Pit and a very senior hub CLT with many PIT commuters. I almost always make it work some way, so I think I will be fine either way.
I would like to see the US INTL policy survive but again I'll adapt.

with 29 pages here and 23 in the US forum it seems crazy to me.There are things in this merger I am more concerned about in this merger than the non rev policy but that's just me.

 

[gaucho99]

US people keep saying DOH is the best and have no idea or have ever used FCFS. I've have had both and FCFS is far better.
US people keep saying DOH is the best and have no idea or have ever used FCFS. I've have had both and FCFS is far better. For people like john john who are experts on the AA way who have never worked at AA you pearls of wisdom leave us breathless. If you have never tried it don't comment on it. I have over 25 years with the company and I don't waste my time looking around the boarding area who is getting on with less seinority. Lose the I got mine attitude and quit trying to kick other employees. With FCFS if you have been trying to get home for three days you would be one of the first to get on instead of being pushed down by someone who walked up 20 minutes before the flight. FCFS is better for the people working the flights and those trying to get on the flights.

Well, that is a matter of opinion...I have been under both as well....HP and US and I think DOH is better. FCFS was old school where the employee waiting the longest at the airport for the flight was awarded the first seat. With today's technology, nobody is waiting at the airport, everybody clicks a button at home so there really is no FCFS basis anymore...It's an outdated process and is why UA and DL have both gone to Seniority and why I think the new AA will too.

 

[john john]

AA system works, if it ain't broke........

Oh its broke and outdated that is why they kept trying to tweak it over the years because of the gaming technology and unfairness