So who's non rev. policy will survive?

[Just Another BK]

USAirways NRSA does NOT give priority to anyone connecting through station. It is strictly by Seniority ( unless your crew not dead heading and the gate agents take care of you !) of your listing. My point was a tight plane with some new hire from Philly traveling through DFW going to Mexico gets on ahead in your system over the 30YR DFW who originates. That's FUP !

Correction to my comment. If the connection is a through flight with the same flight number and a meteor strikes the the earth at the same time. Yes you will stay on the top of the list for the connection flight. This is the exception to the rule.

 

[john john]

penalized beacuse of where they are coming from and what times the flights are scheduled from that city.

BINGO

 

[IORFA]

Oh its broke and outdated that is why they kept trying to tweak it over the years because of the gaming technology and unfairness

It's only broken in your twisted reality. You still fail to understand basic principals of logic.

 

[enough already]

NVM

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

It's only broken in your twisted reality. You still fail to understand basic principals of logic.

principal /ˈprɪnsɪp[sup]ə[/sup]l/ n

1. a person who is first in importance or directs some event, action, organization, etc
   
2. (in Britain) a civil servant of an executive grade who is in charge of a section
   
3. a person who engages another to act as his agent
   
4. an active participant in a crime
   
5. the person primarily liable to fulfil an obligation
   
6. the head of a school or other educational institution

principle /ˈprɪnsɪp[sup]ə[/sup]l/ n

1. a standard or rule of personal conduct: a man of principle
   
2. (often plural) a set of such moral rules: he'd stoop to anything, he has no principles
   
3. a fundamental or general truth or law

Just sayin'....

 

[Crash Pad DCA]

Correction to my comment. If the connection is a through flight with the same flight number and a meteor strikes the the earth at the same time. Yes you will stay on the top of the list for the connection flight. This is the exception to the rule.

Correct.

For example on US from BOS-CDG you have the following options on 8-Mar-13:

Only US 754 BOS-PHL-CDG is considered a through flight. Only the non-revs that made it on US 754 BOS-PHL would have boarding priority over non-revs on US 754 PHL-CDG.

But it AApears (correct me if I am wrong) that under the AA system anyone coming on US 1727 BOS-PHL, US 1605 BOS-PHL and/or US1779 BOS-PHL would be granted D1T/D2T status and jump ahead of anyone foolish enough to list for either US 754 BOS-PHL or any poor soul in PHL listing for just US 754 PHL-CDG.

Please correct me if I have interpreted the AA way incorrectly. If I have not, then it seems the best way to gAAme the system to get a shot at the 2 seats available on on US 754 PHL-CDG would be to get on the earliest possible BOS-PHL flight, sit in the airport all day, but then as a result be able to claim the spoils of the best possible D1T/D2T time stamp for US 754 PHL-CDG.

Did I also understand from previous a posting that the D1T/D2T status is granted if you have flown in to the connecting city within 24hours? If so, then it seems if you really want to play the gAAme, you have to plan to fly into your connecting city a day ahead of time as that would put you even further ahead of any other connecting or local pax.

On the US board someone posted that this stuff happens on AA in HNL all the time - That AA employees just show a HA boarding pass from another island and then the HNL AA gate agent just bumps them up to D1T/D2T thereby knocking the local HNL non-revs further down the list. I can't verify this as truth because I haven't witnessed it. So maybe that is just a rumor.

No matter, somehow I don't see how AAll of this is fAAir...let AAlone a level playing field...

But if all of the above is accurate, then I can see how all the tricks of the system would lead some to vastly favor FCFS (at least AA's implementation of it anyway) over DOH.

I also wonder how all of this affects the rollover...

[1] Say you don't make AA HNL-LAX so you are rolled over to AA HNL-ORD and/or AA HNL-DFW later that same day, does your check-in time for the earlier AA HNL-LAX trump everyone else's check-in time for the later AA HNL-ORD and HNL-DFW flights?

[2] And say you don't make any HNL flights that day and you are rolled over to the next day. Does your check-in time for the previous day then trump everyone else's check-in time for the next day's flights?

AAnyone out there with experience/knowledge in this, please respond and explAAin. Thanks.

 

[Show me the money]

Ah, you are wrong there my friend. After the HP merger, it was FCFS for awhile. Can't recall how long, maybe a year or a bit longer. Parker gave into to pressure and it was put to a vote and it was decided to go back to DOH. If someone is stuck somewhere for three days without backup passes, they don't know much about non reving. It has also been stated that someone couldn't walk up 15 or 20 minutes before flight time since flights get restricted before that. Who does that anyway? I list weeks before I travel and watch the flights.

Im so glad US bought AA because we don't know how to non rev and need your invaluable guidance. Thats the problem our system is not better we just don't know how to do things, and now that you are here we will see the light. Wow it's nice to know that AA needs your help. BLESS YOUR HEART!!!!

 

[eolesen]

Did I also understand from previous a posting that the D1T/D2T status is granted if you have flown in to the connecting city within 24hours?

In general, not true, but with some exceptions. If an overnight connection is the only possible connection, it would apply. Example used to be the YYC-DFW which arrived mid-day, making it impossible to connect to HNL or NRT, and it was the only AA flight out of YYC.

If you chose to fly in the night before, it doesn't apply.

[1] Say you don't make AA HNL-LAX so you are rolled over to AA HNL-ORD and/or AA HNL-DFW later that same day, does your check-in time for the earlier AA HNL-LAX trump everyone else's check-in time for the later AA HNL-ORD and HNL-DFW flights?

[2] And say you don't make any HNL flights that day and you are rolled over to the next day. Does your check-in time for the previous day then trump everyone else's check-in time for the next day's flights?

In all those cases, your original check-in time applies on rollover.

The people waiting the longest get on. I know, that's so unfair.

How does US treat their customers? Do the folks who have held Super Diamond Twinkee status for 10 years get upgraded before those who earned Super Diamond Twinkee status for the first time last year? Do 2M fliers get upgraded ahead of a 1M flyer or someone with "only" 150K lifetime miles?...

Seems to me you already use FCFS for handling your customers.

And yet, you're afraid to receive the same treatment as your customers?...

Interesting.

 

[1AA]

Im so glad US bought AA because we don't know how to non rev and need your invaluable guidance. Thats the problem our system is not better we just don't know how to do things, and now that you are here we will see the light. Wow it's nice to know that AA needs your help. BLESS YOUR HEART!!!!

Who bought who?
Nobody bought anybody.

 

[IORFA]

principal /ˈprɪnsɪp[sup]ə[/sup]l/ n

1. a person who is first in importance or directs some event, action, organization, etc
   
2. (in Britain) a civil servant of an executive grade who is in charge of a section
   
3. a person who engages another to act as his agent
   
4. an active participant in a crime
   
5. the person primarily liable to fulfil an obligation
   
6. the head of a school or other educational institution

principle /ˈprɪnsɪp[sup]ə[/sup]l/ n

1. a standard or rule of personal conduct: a man of principle
   
2. (often plural) a set of such moral rules: he'd stoop to anything, he has no principles
   
3. a fundamental or general truth or law

Just sayin'....

At least I understand logic and common sense. One spelling mistake and you think your dumbassery is law? Good luck with that. All you keep doing is talking in circles about jibberish. Yet eoleson gives you facts that somehow your brain can't comprehend. I feel sorry for you. Does USairways HAVE to accommodate your handicap? And yes, I did make up a new word just for you. Look that one up if it makes you feel better.

 

[boston]

Correct.

For example on US from BOS-CDG you have the following options on 8-Mar-13:

Only US 754 BOS-PHL-CDG is considered a through flight. Only the non-revs that made it on US 754 BOS-PHL would have boarding priority over non-revs on US 754 PHL-CDG.

But it AApears (correct me if I am wrong) that under the AA system anyone coming on US 1727 BOS-PHL, US 1605 BOS-PHL and/or US1779 BOS-PHL would be granted D1T/D2T status and jump ahead of anyone foolish enough to list for either US 754 BOS-PHL or any poor soul in PHL listing for just US 754 PHL-CDG.

Please correct me if I have interpreted the AA way incorrectly. If I have not, then it seems the best way to gAAme the system to get a shot at the 2 seats available on on US 754 PHL-CDG would be to get on the earliest possible BOS-PHL flight, sit in the airport all day, but then as a result be able to claim the spoils of the best possible D1T/D2T time stamp for US 754 PHL-CDG.

Did I also understand from previous a posting that the D1T/D2T status is granted if you have flown in to the connecting city within 24hours? If so, then it seems if you really want to play the gAAme, you have to plan to fly into your connecting city a day ahead of time as that would put you even further ahead of any other connecting or local pax.

On the US board someone posted that this stuff happens on AA in HNL all the time - That AA employees just show a HA boarding pass from another island and then the HNL AA gate agent just bumps them up to D1T/D2T thereby knocking the local HNL non-revs further down the list. I can't verify this as truth because I haven't witnessed it. So maybe that is just a rumor.

No matter, somehow I don't see how AAll of this is fAAir...let AAlone a level playing field...

But if all of the above is accurate, then I can see how all the tricks of the system would lead some to vastly favor FCFS (at least AA's implementation of it anyway) over DOH.

I also wonder how all of this affects the rollover...

[1] Say you don't make AA HNL-LAX so you are rolled over to AA HNL-ORD and/or AA HNL-DFW later that same day, does your check-in time for the earlier AA HNL-LAX trump everyone else's check-in time for the later AA HNL-ORD and HNL-DFW flights?

[2] And say you don't make any HNL flights that day and you are rolled over to the next day. Does your check-in time for the previous day then trump everyone else's check-in time for the next day's flights?

AAnyone out there with experience/knowledge in this, please respond and explAAin. Thanks.

 

[boston]

Yes, it is true if AA doesn't serve the market/leg you show your boarding pass from the other airline and that time is FCFS (ogg-hnl on HA) then AA hnl-lax, or Marthas Vinyard-Boston then on AA BOS-LAX.

Yes you roll over to the next flight with the orginal check in time.

FCFS is very simple and strait forwad, 70,000 of us don't have a problem with it and it alows the most jr employee to have the same benifit. IF you can think up all those sceams AA already has something in place to stop it and if not you won't be traviling for a while.

 

[eolesen]

Yep. AA does watch things, and the violators are dealt with quietly. That was part of the fun I had working with NRSA procedures... investigations.

Before Jetnet, we'd see ~50 people a year who would go over their D3 allocations, and most would be payroll deducted at full fare rates in addition to losing their D3 privilege. I believe Jetnet now enforces that.

Most of the complaints we'd get would be dress code, and occasionally a gate or onboard misconduct.

Perhaps two or three times a year we'd see a legitimate case of someone trying to game the system, and getting caught.

Most of those involved someone listing themselves or a family member in for a flight thru Sabre (by policy, you aren't allowed to check yourself in or issue your own tickets via Sabre -- you need to have someone else do it, or use self-service/web check-in).

Sometimes you'd have someone leave their home city, just to connect thru the hub and get Thru priority. We used to have language which prohibited getting Thru status at your home station, but as I said about 90 pages ago, that language seems to have disappeared.

Even without the language, that's considered violating the intent of the policy, and could still be grounds for losing your privileges.

I have no idea what HR would look like post-merger, but I suspect this is an area which wouldn't change. Violating the intent but not the letter of a contractual provision can be grieved and/or arbitrated. Privileges aren't quite so easy to grieve, and usually aren't eligible for arbitration.

 

[DFWFSC]

Recently iv'e seen nonrevs at DFW standby for the first HNL flt as D2s and not get on due to being full, then tell the agent not to roll them over to the next HNL flt, then they get on Jetnet and cxl their original PNR and then create a new one for the second HNL flt as D1s. Is that considered gaming? Also of note is both nonrevs work for AA...husband and wife, the first PNR was under him and the second HNL flt PNR was under her emp#....

 

[Bogey]

Each employee, husband or wife, has the right to use their travel privileges. No gaming there. Also, switching to D1 after first flight left is not gaming either. Well within their rights.